MSU students protest sexist, racist incidents on campus
About 35 protesters gathered Wednesday afternoon in the South Complex courtyard to protest what they say is an ongoing problem of racism and sexism on campus, specifically in Case Hall.
The protest was organized by the W.E.B. DuBois Society, a student group in James Madison College that focuses on promoting racial justice.
A.J. Rice, an international relations senior and spokesman for the group, said the protest was organized in response to several recent incidents in Case Hall during which black women said they have been harassed and discriminated against. One of these incidents, he said, resulted in a student being slapped in the face multiple times by a white male, who also is a resident mentor in Case Hall.
Megan Threats, a political theory and constitutional democracy and comparative cultures and politics sophomore, said she was physically accosted twice by Case Hall resident mentor Max Schurig during an April 5 off-campus, school-related social function.
Threats said Schurig, a political theory and constitutional democracy sophomore, first slapped her face, then later placed his palm over her face and squeezed it.
“He assaulted me twice within a span of an hour, and it was unprovoked,” Threats said. “The process has been very slow in disciplinary action.”
When contacted Wednesday, Schurig denied Threat’s claims.
“She might be thinking of something else, I don’t know,” Schurig said.
According to members of the W.E.B. DuBois Society, Threats’ story is one of many instances of discrimination against black women in Case Hall and across campus.
Rice said representatives from the society have spoken with university administrators and are asking for compensation for the victims and punishment of the suspects. They also have requested that a committee be created to address future racial discrimination issues on campus.
Lee June, the university’s vice president for student affairs and services, said disciplinary action will first be taken on a departmental level before the administration gets involved.
“When allegations are made, there are processes (such as) the judicial system and things that can occur within the residence hall,” June said.
While Rice said racial tension has been a problem across campus, he said it is more prevalent in Case Hall, where the vast majority of residents are white.
Paul Goldblatt, MSU director of Residence Life, which holds jurisdiction over resident mentors, said no disciplinary action had been taken as of Wednesday evening, but the mentor is being reviewed through the department’s judicial process.
“The incident that occurred was not on campus, did not happen while the person was performing their mentoring duties, but at the same time we took it very seriously and we are dealing with it as an employee discipline matter,” Goldblatt said.
Alanna Powell, a James Madison freshman who lives in Case Hall, said the protest was the first time she’d heard about any racial tensions in the dorm.
“I think it’s terrible,” she said. “I always felt like Case was a really nice dorm and people were super-friendly.”
Published on Wednesday, April 23, 2008




Comments
So...
04/24/08 @ 12:48am
In this article they note the race of the alleged criminal, but never in their police briefs. Strange.
Steve
04/24/08 @ 7:39am
So a black girl was assaulted by a white guy, is that on its face racist? Is it a racist act for a black man to assault a white girl? If it isn’t, then how is the former a racist act? An assault is an assault, if this girl was assaulted than she needs to go to the police and push for a prosecution. But to cry racism and for a protest to be organized over one minor incident is ridiculous.
Raymond
04/24/08 @ 7:57am
As a Madison grad, trust me this type of atmosphere is bred in the college. I had never been around so many prejudiced students in my life, and according to friends in other majors their classmates were much better in comparison. Now don’t get me wrong, not everybody in Madison is a prejudiced, in fact it is still a very small minority. It is just that the minority in Madison is much larger than other colleges on campus. I’m sure these comments will spark a firestorm, but it had to be said.
Chris
04/24/08 @ 8:01am
I used to live in Case Hall my freshman year, and it seemed to me that every one got along well. If this guy assaulted her, press charges and take this case to court but don’t hold an entire dorm guilty because it is mostly white! I’m sorry, but just because someone happens to attack you and they happen to be of a different race, doesn’t make it a hate race issue. However, I am curious to see more details about the situation to see if there are any real links to racism. Are the white people in the hall in the KKK or Nazi’s or what? I don’t see how you can call an entire dorm racist like this.
Ted
04/24/08 @ 8:27am
What a rediculous article. So if you can only gather 30 people for a protest you can have a prominent article in the newspaper?
Let me get this straight, one incident where a white dude allegedly “slapped multiple times” a black female, now the entire university is racist?
This is just another race-baiting, stupid article to make white people feel guilty, and make black people the victims. This is nothing new here in liberal la-la land.
One other point.. I knew within reading the first few sentences, that somewhere in the article there would be a reference to demands for “an apology” and compensation. This is nothing new either.
Bill Lumberg
04/24/08 @ 8:42am
It is interesting that they labeled the suspect “a white male”, doesn’t the SN have a policy in place that prohibits using race when identifying a suspect?
Duh
04/24/08 @ 8:51am
If the suspect is known and they identify him by name, which the article did, what would be the point of witholding his race?
please read
04/24/08 @ 9:15am
“A.J. Rice, an international relations senior and spokesman for the group, said the protest was organized in response to several recent incidents in Case Hall during which black women said they have been harassed and discriminated against. “
Please read the entire article before making uninformed statements.
bothered
04/24/08 @ 9:54am
I hate to say this…but if a black man hit a white woman, we’d never hear a thing about it. And there would be No Protests. It would just be handled by the police, just like this should be.
All so ridiculous
04/24/08 @ 10:24am
In response to Steve’s comment above: “But to cry racism and for a protest to be organized over one minor incident is ridiculous.” ABSOLUTELY.
Witnesses of the incident claim that Shurig that actually only TOUCHED her face, in a friendly manner. And Megan Threats waited a week to call it “assault.” As a result of all this exaggeration and outright lying, Shurig has been fired from his position (leaving him without housing for next year) and has even had his life threatened.
In this specific incidence, it’s just silly and ridiculous that race even became a factor.
Kyle Bristow
04/24/08 @ 10:40am
This just goes to prove that whenever white men assault someone of color, they are automatically labeled as violent, oppressive and racist. Well, this is a free country. White men should be free to violate the civil rights of anyone they choose without fear of being fired or persecuted. Besides, is it really assault if she asked for it? I mean, any non-white who has the audacity to major in a James Madison area is just doing it to antagonize those of us who are being primed by the college for legitimate leadership. Also, “Professor” Austin Jackson ought to take a page out of Bill Allen’s book because that’s the only way he’ll even be allowed to continue to darken (no pun intended) the halls of this great college. It’s all a part of the Judeo-Bolshevic conspiracy. Ron Paul in ’08!!!
John Q.Public
04/24/08 @ 10:47am
Kyle Bristow?!! How are they hangin’,you homegrown fascist bastard?!
ehillesum
04/24/08 @ 11:01am
The real question here is whether the students running the State News receive any guidance from professors or professional journalists concerning how to write appropriate stories.
The article’s subhead references a protest about gender and racial bias at Case Hall. Then, it refers to a purported off campus incident where a white male resident mentor slapped and grabbed the face of a black woman in an unprovoked attack. Apart from the fact there are no details (like, was alcohol involved), the story of such an unprovoked assault by a person who made it through the University’s mentor-hiring regimine is suspect on its fact. Moreover, as others have noted, how does one isolated incident raise the spectre of racism and sexism.
Bottom line—this story should not have been printed until more facts were developed by the writer.
doesn't matter.
04/24/08 @ 11:39am
I think the author needs to learn what integrity is before she be allowed to publish another article.
This is literally a disgrace to the State News. (As if it could get any worse)
Truth
04/24/08 @ 2:46pm
In response to All So Ridiculous: “Witnesses of the incident claim that Shurig that actually only TOUCHED her face, in a friendly manner. And Megan Threats waited a week to call it assault.As a result of all this exaggeration and outright lying, Shurig has been fired from his position (leaving him without housing for next year) and has even had his life threatened.”
FACT: The victim did not wait a week to report the incident as an assault, she reported the incident the day after the event.
FACT: Nothing was exaggerated and no lying took place. I know Max and he has done stuff like this to other females. Megan was just the only one who had the courage to stand up to him.
FACT: The article is titled “ MSU student protest sexist, racist incidents on campus”. The victim at no point ever labeled Max as a racist. The fact that Max assualted a female would make it a sexist issue. I think the title of the article suggest that.
FACT: The incident was reported to the police. I do agree that the writer should have gathered more facts, because possibly it would have curbed some of the uneducated comments made in response to the article.
FACT: If Max was so worried about keeping his position as a resident mentor he should not have put his hands on Megan. He got exactly what he deserved. No matter how you spin it…“only touched her face in a friendly manner” assault is assault.
In response to Kyle Bristow… LOL I don’t even know how you are surviving in Madison. I have heard you speak and it quite clear that you need much improvement in regards to grammar and public speaking. Seriously, you are not very bright. I know Megan and she is extremely intellegent. She is here on a full-ride academic scholarship. She is a prominent leader in the James Madison College and the MSU community. For you to say that “any non-white who has the audacity to major in a James Madison area is just doing it to antagonize those of us who are being primed by the college for legitimate leadership” is a bigoted uneducated opinion. At the same time, I am not surprised by your opinion. There are some other students in the James Madison College who share your opinion, and it is easy to keep such hatred alive when you have a College that rarely address issues of race, in particular African-Americans in the classroom.
Anonymous
04/24/08 @ 3:03pm
I know Max, and he is a pretty cool guy. I have never had any problems with him, but I was at the off-campus event. Max was super drunk, so I have to believe Megan. Some people don’t remember what they do when they are drunk. Max probably interpreted the incident differently than Megan, because he was under the influence of alcohol. I hope that Max would not do anything like this if he was sober,but like my grandma says “people are themselves after they have a few drinks.” I am sorry that this has happened to Megan, and sorry that Max may have lost his position as a resident mentor. I think this just shows that there are consequences to every action.
_k
04/24/08 @ 3:20pm
you’ve gotta admit though…Threats is a pretty badass last name…
...and an amusingly ironic one for an assault victim.
Proud
04/24/08 @ 4:01pm
I believe one person can make a differance. Megan Threats spoke out about a young who slapped her while intoxicated. (Assault) The behavior to her was unacceptable. She was one of very few minorities in attendance at the charity ball in which the student senate sponsored. Megan as well as Max are both a part of the senate. I believe her being in the minority is the reason he felt very comfortable doing what he did.
She is very brave for speaking up for herself and others who have had similar incidents or worse done to them. The protest was on behalf of everyone to make sure something was done. Women especially should applaud her. Since the incident others have come forward, black and white that have experienced the same from Max.
FYI-If a black male slapped a white female there would be no need for a protest. He would be in jail!
Clarification
04/24/08 @ 4:40pm
Megan Threats did not inform anyone of the incident until AFTER Kyle Mays and AJ Rice entered Max Schurig’s room at approximately 1:00 am and threatened his life.
Disappointment
04/24/08 @ 4:42pm
I am so very deeply disappointed in my generation, peers, and advisors for believing that exaggerating a situation enough to the point where someone’s life is ruined is an effective way of making a statement on behalf of a group.
Max wasn’t targeted by Megan Threats, he was targeted by a group who needed another item to add to their list of grievances against caucasians.
Steven Book
04/24/08 @ 4:56pm
Dear “Truth” and the MSU Student Body,
To say that nothing was exaggerated is a complete LIE. In both the article and the papers handed out during the “Petition” yesterday it was clearly written that Max “first slapped her in the face”. This is false. Max and Megan are friends and were having a conversation over something that Max let Megan borrow (a Model UN gavel) and jokingly grabbed her lips and told her “Shhh” because he JOKINGLY didn’t want her to give him any excuses why she didn’t return the gavel to him at this James Madison Ball. It has been brought up that Max may have been under the influence of alcohol. I was not at this event, I was in San Antonio representing MSU in the NCAA tournament, otherwise I would have been next to him greeting Megan and everyone else at this great event. So I do not know if there was alcohol involved in this event and it has not/can not be proven that it was. Throughout the night Max talked to many of his superiors- Case Hall officials and teachers and they have vouched that he was not drunk.
To say that you know Max and that he has done this to other FEMALES is also an atrocious statement. He is a big guy that loves to be the center of attention and is also very friendly. While I have had girls come up to me and tell me that they may feel “intimidated” or even “slightly threatened” by Max, none of them have ever told me that he has assaulted them in anyway. In this situation Max would apologize and never make the person feel “threatened” ever again. If this is not a race issue then it does not belong on the list of racial harassments committed in Case Hall. If you consider this a SEXIST issue let me assure you that he is just as attention grabbing, friendly and what some people may call “obnoxious” to EVERYONE, no matter the color of their skin, gender or sexuality.
Max Schurig’s personality is unlike anyone that I have ever known. He is more charismatic than anyone in all of James Madison College which is what has gotten him so many amazing positions within Case Hall, James Madison and the entire university. Besides being the mentor on a floor where everyone is extremely close and where WE all get along tremendously (it is also a very diverse floor where race is not an issue at all and everyone feels just as welcome as everyone else), he is a member of one of the most prestigious singing groups on campus, the Spartan Dischords, he is been a member of the JMC Student Senate for two years, he was recently selected to be on the e-board for MSU’s Model United Nations, he is an active member in IRO, one of the most spirited members of both the IZZONE and the student section at football games, he is looked upon very highly by professors and administrators at this school and received an extremely high rating when Resident Mentor evaluations were released (one of the highest in all of Case Hall).
Max is my best friend, my RA and I met him because we were paired together as roommates when we went in blind last year as freshman. He would never “assault” anyone and would 100% never show any signs of racism towards any race. I would have agreed with the protests yesterday and I think that the other issues involving race here in Case Hall are very legitimate and very scary, but the slander of this article and they way Max is portrayed completely illegitimacies the point that is trying to be made with this protest and in this fight against racism on campus.
If you think this is a biased opinion then know this: Max may be a good friend of mine, but Megan Threats is also a friend of mine. I listed many of Max’s qualities and accomplishments here at MSU, well, Megan’s accolades are extremely impressive and she is looked upon very highly by everyone in the college. Max and Megan are two of the most prestigious leaders we have in Case Hall and in James Madison. It is a real shame that something like this had to come up.
To the State News, if there are any threats against Max or anyone on this floor or in Case Hall because of the fact that you released his name and where he lives then I will make sure that there are legal consequences against the newspaper. Kelly House generally writes excellent articles for this newspaper and the fact that she wrote this terrible article and the fact that the editors at the State News let this run completely brings down this award winning publication.
Kyle Bristow
04/24/08 @ 5:14pm
I take umbrage with your calling Max (WPWW) Schurig one of the most prestigious leaders in JMC. Although he comes from fine Aryan stock, I am who leads all the leaders in JMC. Heil!!!
whut
04/24/08 @ 5:24pm
Coincidence that the one time State News posts about black people being harrassed as opposed to the 20+ articles about black-on-black crime there’s more comments on here than damn near the last 7 campus articles combined.
Are you all scared that black people still have a voice on campus? You sure love to run to your computers and make witty racist comments and then run in fear based on stereotypes when African-Americans are in your presence. I’m glad this article was published, because it once again shows me how little this campus has progressed as a multiracial entity just based on the ignorance in the comments alone.
Racewar
04/24/08 @ 5:41pm
Racewar
Right On
04/24/08 @ 6:07pm
Right on Steven. I know max. Sometimes he is obnoxious. More than once he has annoyed the hell out of me this year. He is a giant teddy bear and a huge joker, he picks people up and makes them laugh with his crazy antics. To interpret his actions as sexist and/or racist is just plain stupid.
I hope all those involved feel real good about getting a good person fired from a very important job. I hope that that the guys who threatened Max feel real big, bad and tough that they cornered a lone guy helpless in his own room, intimidated and made threats of violence against him. And I hope that the State News feels good about releasing the name and location of a person who already had to worry about his safety and now has to watch his back wherever he goes on campus. I loved reading the State News before, now I can only think of how IRRESPONSIBLE, AMATEUR and UNPROFESSIONAL this organization is. Completely ridiculous.
How fitting that “compensation” is being asked for. That really adds to the validity and legitimacy of their cause.
Nicole
04/24/08 @ 6:11pm
I am utterly disgusted by this article. The fact that such blanket statements are being made about James Madison College and Case Hall is unethical and unwarranted. I am surprised someone let this article run. It discredits the entire paper, and I am severely disappointed. As a resident of Case Hall for two years, and a student in James Madison College for one, there is absolutely no reason that either one of these should be singled out for race issues. As a personal friend to one of the parties involved, I also know that some of this story is not based on fact at all. Again, I am disappointed this was allowed to run. What ever happened to unbiased objective journalism?
Additionally, with the exception of Kyle Bristow (surprise, surprise) most comments are not trying to be “witty racist comments” they are trying to establish the point that this is NOT a race issue. This was made into a race issue when it never was in the first place. I know this for a fact. I, for one, am still trying to figure out why this even became one in the first place…
Numb Nuts
04/24/08 @ 6:17pm
Ok all you Numb Nutters out there,
IF THERE WAS ANY ASSAULT THERE WOULD BE ARRESTS. THAT IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS! (REGARDLESS OF RACE, SO DONT PLAY THAT)
Ignorance
04/24/08 @ 6:32pm
Ignorance is writing the name “whut” in your name field. Just another example of blatant intimidation. No one is scared, no one is running in fear. Nice try.
Sophie Thomas
04/24/08 @ 6:35pm
This article is absolutely ridiculous. For the first time since I have been admitted to the James Madison college and Michigan State University, I am ashamed to go here.
First and foremost, this bickering between comments is immature and should stop, say your peace and leave.
The problem with race on MSU campus is one that should be addressed, but in this fashion, one that ruins the reputation of case hall and it’s staff, is completely inappropriate and shows the vast lack of integrity within the state news. However, what disturbs me the most is the misinformation printed and the paper and the long term effects this article will have for the future of the student it attacks.
Max Schurig is an upstanding individual within the MSU community with a spotless record and that has only ever shown his floor and case hall kindness. To print ALLEGATIONS against a student in a state funded university paper is absolutely unprofessional and illegal. I am so utterly disappointed in my fellow peers who have started this and exaggerated the entire situation, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I can completely understand the race situation within the MSU community and give my support to all of the initiatives the De Bois society is trying accomplish. However, to personally attack a fellow student, to promote slander against him, blame him for being a sexist and a racist, is unjustifiably wrong. No matter what the situation. Nothing has been accomplished and shouldn’t that be the goal? Shouldn’t change be the goal? This is WIDENING the gap, not repairing it.
As for the other situations in case hall, I do hope they invoke change because it seems to be necessary.
“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”
Martin Luther King Jr., Strength to Love, 1963
K-Brist
04/24/08 @ 6:36pm
Yeah, cuz we all know that white boys can’t get away with nuthin!!!
Wolverine
04/24/08 @ 6:39pm
Why aren’t any of you who are so concerned with Max’s future even in the least bit interested in the fact that he assaulted a woman?
To: Wolverine
04/24/08 @ 7:13pm
Because he DID NOT assault a woman.
This was a move against an individual that was targeted because of a group’s agenda and ulterior motives.
hail to the morons
04/24/08 @ 7:15pm
uhh…..because he didnt. go back to ann arbor ya turd burgler.
To: The person posting as Bristow
04/24/08 @ 7:31pm
You are not helping. You are trolling. And you are making things even worse than they need to be, so please, all of you out there who think for some bizarre reason that this is at all funny, and wish to slander the name of someone who doesn’t need any help, stop. Now.
Concerned
04/24/08 @ 7:40pm
Maybe it should be published knowledge that Kyle Mays not only threatened Max’s life while he was alone in his room, but a room full of 20+ girls at what was supposed to be a peaceful floor meeting… regarding the other issues that were also fabricated at the protest. The “racism” issue should be looked at from both sides here.
I’m not denying that some race issues HAVE happened in Case Hall, and its very sad that they have, but to ignore that the racism is going both ways is very very wrong. We are supposed to be working together to solve this problem, not pushing each other apart.
Re: Concerned
04/24/08 @ 9:16pm
Good Point— the person who is supposed to be leading the dialogue to solve the racial issues has threatened the lives of at least 21 Case Hall residents: Kyle Mays.
Maybe the state news should take a closer look at who is actually the villain here.
Just Curious
04/24/08 @ 9:29pm
I got the below email on Tuesday to let us know all know that there are some crazy things going on in Case Hall. To tell you the truth, I was bit unnerved to know there was such blatant animosity toward non-whites in Case—-especially since it appears to be (not so)tacitly approved by the Hall staff.
I don’t understand why Max felt the need to assault Megan. She’s such a nice woman. Frankly, I thought it was just a matter of time before such a bully like Max would run into someone who would push back. I’m glad he lost his job. I hope he’s expelled from, too.
**************************
There have been a slew of incidents on campus in which Black female
students have been terrorized and harassed. The most recent incidents
have been assaults on Black women. The current institutions to protect
Black students, specifically Black female students, has proven itself
unable and unwilling to address the problems that they face. And the
problems that they face are white racists and departments, as well as
staff, that tacitly support their behavior.
This is a list of the events that have transpired over the past seven
months:
• two Black students left Case Hall because they were being harassed
by white students early in the school year
• Black female students in Case Hall have experienced the following
terrorism:
• items were ripped off their door
• ice cream has been thrown at their door
• white students constantly banging on their door
• A white male unlawfully entered a Black female’s room late one night
• Another Black female, while attending James Madison College Charity
Ball, was assaulted by a white male who slapped her in the face, and
later put his hands on her again to scrunch her face.
• A Black female was pushed into a brick wall by a male football
player from Grand Valley State University
or when she informed an office that she was assaulted the man was not
arrested and a report was not filed because the officer said he didn’t
witness it
• A white girl called the police and alleged that two Black males
forced their way into her room and beat up her boyfriend. In response,
eight police officers show up and immediately rush to a Black female’s
room and aggressively demand that the student give them her id or she
will be arrested. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that
anyone ever bust down the students door, or that her boyfriend was
attacked.
• Case Hall director of Residence Life Shannon McCaughey informed all
of her undergraduate and graduate mentors that a warrant had been
issued for the arrest of Prof. Austin Jackson and a Black female
student. Before verifying the validity of these claims, she contacted
the Dean and assistant Dean of James Madison College, and other
administrators and informed them about the warrant. When Prof. Jackson
inquired about this warrant at DPPS he was informed there was never a
warrant issued for him or the Black female student.
Kyle Bristow
04/24/08 @ 9:32pm
At least I’m man enough to put my name to any racist, white supremacist rants. How about you? WPWW
Just Curious
04/24/08 @ 9:38pm
Kyle Mays is not the problem. It’s not our fault if you are inherently threatened by the presence of a black male. <P>
Max is gone. He needed to be gone. Next to leave will be the director of Case Hall. Just watch
Re: Just Curious
04/24/08 @ 9:47pm
How can you accuse someone you don’t even know of being a bully?
Furthermore, I know Max very closely and I can assure you all that the last thing he is is a “bully.” He is an incredibly caring person, and would be there in a second if his friends needed him. The FIRST thing he asked when his life was threatened in Megan’s name was, “Is Megan ok?”
To: Just Curious
04/24/08 @ 10:04pm
So apparently it’s okay and not illegal to threaten the lives of other people. Hmm….
Re: Just Curious
04/24/08 @ 10:19pm
“I don’t understand why Max felt the need to assault Megan. She’s such a nice woman. Frankly, I thought it was just a matter of time before such a bully like Max would run into someone who would push back. I’m glad he lost his job. I hope he’s expelled from, too.”
1. Megan is a wonderful girl, one of the best at this university.
2. Even if you think Max is a “bully”, you would hope that he should get fired from being a mentor? and that he should be expelled from school? Wow, that is really something awesome to wish on someone. I suppose you also hopes he is unemployed for his entire life and that he has a terrible remainder of his life? ...good
Just Curious
04/24/08 @ 10:30pm
Yeah right. Max was threatened by Kyle Mays. Mays is not even half Max’s size. I guess Max only likes to bully women. He should be ashamed of himself. I’m glad he lost his job.
Re: Just Curious
04/25/08 @ 12:12am
You are out of control with your libelous, slanderous, biased, and untrue comments.
The Truth
04/25/08 @ 12:26am
First of all, I would just like to say to those alleging these false accusations against Max TO GET OVER YOURSELVES. They were friends, if she doesn’t understand his playful demeanor by now then that’s on her. It’s disgusting to see how far people will go to ruin other people’s lives, and for what? Just so you can widen the gap more like it is apparent the goal is. I’ve been told that alcohol was not involved, that she was never slapped (meaning it was not multiple times), that they were friends and that he was joking with her. So basically youre saying that gives her the right to sound the racist alarm? Or that makes it alright for those who are claiming to be discriminated against to threaten other people’s lives? You would think coming from James Madison that people would have a little more intelligence and maybe some respect.
I agree with the fact that the racism issue needs to be looked at from both sides. Quit exaggerating this topic that has been blown way out of proportion because of lies that are being spread. I would love to know what goal this is accomplishing for the W.E.B DuBois Society. Is it to widen the gap? or shrink it? Personally, this looks so bad on your part because it looks like all this is doing is widening it. What is that going to accomplish?
With the lies and threats on someone’s life, it is a shame to see someone who does so much get their reputation smeared and their future turned upside down. There is no respect, no respect at all based on the actions that were taken against someone who was being friendly and joking around. Pat yourselves on the back for making this a racial issue for nothing.
Re: Kyle Bristow
04/25/08 @ 1:48am
Kyle Bristow, shut the f up. You are an ignorant, ugly elf.
AJ Rice
04/25/08 @ 8:21am
I don’t usually write in on these but let us all get one thing clear. There were MULTIPLE INCIDENTS. For instance, two girls moving out of case because the N-word was written on their door. Or another black female who had “fat black bi***” written on her door, or another incident where “Black bit**** are evil” was written on her door. Now, I would like for someone to explain to me how that is not racist. Please..I’m waiting…And it’s not Megan’s fault Max was fired. It was well..Max that slapped her. And a review by the Case hall staff found him guilty. Nobody else but them. Oh, and by the way, a lot of what is on here. To “The Truth”. lol..the truth is that Megan’s story was corroborated by several other individuals…ON BOTH OCCASIONS..the first when he smacked her, the second when he scrunched her face. The second time individuals at her table told him that was inappropriate. This is what they have stated. So..again, everyone that is here you need to get the facts. lol. An argument equals claim plus proof. You all are making claims, however, that is not enough. I am giving you both claim and proof. The same way Megan did to the Case hall staff, which is why Max is fired. Again, readddd people! Look at the flyers that were passed out and the state news article. In neither place does it say that Max is a racist. This is nothing but the white guilt complex. Take a deep breath…don’t be mad because a Black girl stands up for herself, or because Black people are organized and read the facts. Reading is fundamental people. Wow…now I see why YOUR ancestors didn’t want us to read. It’s painful to read your statements, but hey, we will have to keep tolerating your ignorant, uninformed, uncorroborated, unsubstantiated, rants. And for one person in particular, I won’t even dignify your statements with a response. If any of you are interested in understanding how your comments perpetuate the Matrix of Domination articulate by Patricia Hill Collins, I recommend that your read “Black Feminist Thought in The Matrix of Domination”. It details how Black women are uniquely oppressed as they face oppression by white males, white females, and black men. Interesting read. Well, that’s about it. Hopefully this cleared up some questions, and I’m sure there will be subsequent posts talking about racism and how Max didn’t do it. Well you will always have detractors, I’m just glad that Megan and another female was able to get the justice they deserve. Oh yea. How come nobody is talking about the other incidents..which are factual and documented, and also photographed. Now that is interesting!
Sophie
04/25/08 @ 10:44am
Sophie:
Do you know the difference between an allegation and a charge? An allegation is an unfounded assertion. A charge is allegation backed up by evidence and witnesses. Max is facing assault charges based on slapping Megan threats in her face during a Madison fundraing boat ride. His “character” is indicated by his actions, not your unfounded assertion.
Besides, the kid has more pressing things to worry about, like going to jail for assault and battery. He got fired from his job as an RA, as he should be. I’m just glad DuBois Society stepped up the pressure and awareness of this situation — or he’d still be in his position. The next step is the city or county jail, if the Lansing police do their job.
In other words, Sophie, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and should be quite.
Quick Question
04/25/08 @ 10:56am
Do you know anything else, aside from what Austin Jackson spoon feeds you?
Just curious, and as for the comments written on the black girls door, what is suppose to happen? What action do you want being taken for a random piece of graffiti that could have been done by ANYONE in Case Hall.
Why don’t we talk about the real criminal here? Kyle Mays has threatened the life of 20 girls on 1 South calling them “white cracker bitches” IN A FLOOR MEETING that was suppose to be a peaceful forum, and has been seen on the floor for the last two week straight “patrolling” (ironic aside, since he’s been seen on the floor things have only gotten worse by 10 fold..hmm maybe he’s the problem? or it’s probably just the white cracker bitches..must be..). I guess that’s the sort of intimidation and language that the W.E.B. De Bois society stands for. Sounds like De Bois would be real proud of what you have accomplished. That group stains the name of a great man. Congratulations.
Sentinel
04/25/08 @ 11:22am
Best of Luck in the future to all. And I mean that.
Steven Book
04/25/08 @ 11:25am
amen.
agreed
04/25/08 @ 2:01pm
Sentinel makes a VERY good point and should be thought about carefully.
And I think all sides should look for “the facts” because I don’t think either side knows fact from fiction. Sure the flyer passed around says they are facts but if you really knew what was going on behind the scenes you would find that it was very exaggerated. I’m not saying that the action of writing those words on that girl’s door should be condoned, but why not just solve what has already occurred instead of perpetuating other incidents by exaggerating what actually happened? I understand that by being touched and it being unwanted is an issue, but why make it to the point where other things are added to the story that aren’t true?
I strongly suggest that those involved take a long hard look at your actions. Just because you think you are in the right, doesn’t give you the power to do whatever you want. Patrolling the floors and threatening lives is not acceptable. And honestly I don’t think that people have a problem that a women who happens to be black is speaking out. It’s just what this incident has escalated to is what the fuss is about. So please stop calling others ignorant or to “read” because really a lot of people know more than you think because of who they work for or know. It is really hard to believe that people still want to fight about that one race is better than another because really we are all smart and educated adults and would rather have change and progress, not race wars. People of different races get a long why not just stop pushing the issue of race all the time and just work together? What about trying to just diffuse these situations, figure out the right path for them and let it go while not trying to be vindictive and mean to others, because it is the end of the year and why not leave with on a good note?
Funk dat
04/25/08 @ 2:23pm
White people in Case Hall have had been charged with assault and hate crimes because of their racist, ignorant actions. Shannon McCaughey and her staff of bumbling idiots have done nothing but protect the white bigots responsible, and then treat the victims of white racist violence like they are the victimizers.
All this could have been settled if the Case hall staff and assistants and aids did their job. And since they didn’t do their job, didn’t hold the white bigots accountable for their actions, the Case hall staff and students and aides will be held accountable by the Black students in Case hall. Shannon needs to be fired immediately. This guy who slapped Megan and shoved her face, he got what he deserved, but more needs to be done to bring these other racists to justice.
Sentinel
04/25/08 @ 2:39pm
Can’t we all see that only arguing about this race issue continues to perpetuate a problem? I know many of the people working in Case Hall and find them to be none of the things that accusations claim them to be. The fact that not everyone has agreed with what has taken place goes to show that everyone is different. To use blanket statements that call all Case Hall Staff bigots and white racists is to undermine your own arguments. The fact that because we are on equal positions does not equate me to another member of a group. It is unfair for Caucasians to generalize about African-Americans, and what that happens Caucasians are called racist, but to make call all whites bigots only shows that racism is alive in every form and every color. As I said before, closely examine your role in this entire debacle and realize that the only person you need answer to in the end is yourself. As human beings we must stand now, make our mark and see the change as it should be effected.
Student
04/25/08 @ 10:31pm
Those comments are not really from Kyle Bristow, they’re clearly someone trying to be funny, so just calm down.
Elrey Jones
04/26/08 @ 12:19am
Are these black people from Detroit or some other cities in the state where black on white crime and racial oppression is common? Blacks commit 100 times more crime and acts of intimidation against white people than the reverse. Whites don’t even live in freedom anymore and it is because of the black crimes and intimidation against us. Until whites start protesting, marching, and demanding civil rights for all and not just black people, the oppression against whites will continue. Get up, speak up, and march!
Re: Sentinel
04/26/08 @ 8:19am
Sentinel, you sound as dumb as Shannon, the Case Hall director. Several students have been filed police reports and hate crimes. People will be held accountable — if not by MSU, in a court of law.
I’m just glad to see the process is just starting. Firing the student who assaulted Megan Threats is just a first step. More heads need to roll — from the Case Hall director and down the line.
The Black students at MSU will not tolerate being assaulted and having “nigger” written on doors while the staff and student aids sit on their asses and do nothing but protect the people responsible. Black students will defend themselves from such attacks by whatever means necessary.
Sentinel
04/26/08 @ 10:49am
Ah, so you see, the point is that people are being held responsible. That is the point, and I agree with you. But I do not sound dumb to a rational, color-blind human. I make perfect sense in fact, since if police reports have been filed, the process is underway, which is all I want to see. But in the end, it must be the process that decides guilt and the process that decides whether or not these are hate crimes. I wrote before that blatant racist comments will never be condoned and should never be tolerated, so in essence, my detractor and I are on the same page, he just realizes that I am Caucasian and therefore takes me as his enemy. I beg to differ, I believe in the system, and if the process decides guilt, I stand behind you 100 percent. It should not be public opinion and rumor mongering by the State News which decides the fate of all involved, rather, let the facts speak for themselves, let the victims share their story in the process and allow for explanations from the accused. Do not let your anger try to tear apart the good points I am making simply because of the color of my skin, since in the end, I may stand with you in solidarity to show my support of the truth that comes out. Racism must end in all forms, that is my opinion.
you're a joke.
04/26/08 @ 10:50am
seriously, you are a huge joke. they only reason they’re “protecting” the students is because they are INNOCENT until proven guilty. We don’t live in Napeoloenic France where it is the opposite. Civil rights go both ways, white students have a RIGHT to be innocent until they are proven otherwise as with black students. Heads may roll, but they will be from both sides, because from what has happened, their have been crimes on both “sides”
A Grain of Salt Perhaps?
04/26/08 @ 10:56am
I’m not going to comment on the alleged assault (while he may be being charged, it’s still alleged until confirmed in court), but I want to address the issue of Case Hall staff essentially being racist bigots.
This argument about Shannon, the Case Hall director, and the rest of the Case Hall staff “protecting their own” and all being racist is somewhat absurd and only a touch hypocritical. The only way for Max to actually be firedo is to have been judged by that staff. If they were truly protecting their own and supporting his alleged racist beating, it is likely they would not have fired him.
To attack the entirety of the Case Hall staff (which includes Assistant Hall Directors, Mentors, and Shannon) and call them all racist because of the alleged acts of one is incredibly close-minded and not very different from those close-minded assumptions about all blacks which I’m quite sure both that community. It’s non sequitur, much the same as the incidence of occasional racist events occurring in Case Hall meaning the building is racist or the staff sponsors a racist atmosphere. This conclusion is completely untrue – I find it hard to believe the home of James Madison College and the foundation of the majority of MSU’s political groups (including WEB Dubois and the Young Democratic Socialist) is an inherently racist dorm. This is an incredible stereotype, and as I mentioned before, it is just as ridiculous as the many used against the black community. Stop the hypocrisy – I understand you are angry on behalf of a friend and colleague, but you are undermining your own argument.
Vorian
04/26/08 @ 11:52am
Hmm. Interesting comments on both sides. I have no personal attachment to either person involves in this case, though I’ve worked with Max a bit this year. Regardless, I have no stake in any of this.
1. I think we need to divorce ‘racism’ from ‘assault’ or even ‘sexism’. It seems that people are unnecessarily merging these things. From what I gather, what Mr. Schurig may or may not have done had nothing to do with race and, if he is officially charged with anything, would fall under ‘assault’, not ‘hate crime’. Though all of my classes are in Case Hall, I have been totally unaware of these sorts of things happening. Moreover, race relations seem to be pretty positive within the hall; most people seem to get along just fine and are generally friendly.
2. While I am willing to believe that there may be acts of hate in Case Hall, I don’t think this particular incident should be used as the poster child for any cause seeking to address this issue. Yes, a female African American and ‘white’ male were involved, however, that doesn’t automatically make the incident racist. This incident has been unduly escalated and the rhetorical tone needs to be brought down a couple notches.
3. Now, just because it isn’t race-related doesn’t mean assault is somehow acceptable or “less bad”. If Mr. Schurig, in fact, did what he is being accused of then, then this needs to be addressed as it is a clear sign of disrespect towards others(it may not be limited to women from what I’ve seen of his interactions with others). The way this is currently being handled is nothing short of the passions of the mob going wild. People need to calm down, take a deep breath and consider things. Nobody should be “glad he got fired” nor should they act the part of a wholesale defender. Rather, while we should certainly take this and other cases seriously, we should look towards avoiding these sorts of incidents in the future—proactive rather than reactive.
4. Since it’s clear that race isn’t going to be partitioned from this case, I’d also like to point out that the white population has hardly monopolized the market for hate and racism—on campus or in society as a whole. Racism goes both ways and non-whites need to recognize that they have been just as prone to prejudice as any other group on campus. Self-segregation is rampant on campus; it’s difficult to bridge the racial divide when the person on the other side insists on cutting the ropes every time. My roommate is from Africa and, whenever his African American friends come over for the first time they always seem so surprised to see that his roommate is gasps white. He’s also told me the stories of how many of them ask, privately, “Is he alright?” or “Are you really friends or is this just business?” My point is that we all need to be honest and realize that everyone is responsible for the state of race relations on and off campus and that everyone needs to make an effort to meet at least half way; I think we will make a lot progress this way
5. My final point; be careful about how forcefully you come across regarding what may or may not have actually happened throughout this Schurig-Threats incident; slander and libel are taken seriously and, from what I’ve read and heard from people, there are strong cases in favor of these sorts of charges. Everyone is passionate, but try to keep those passions in check so you don’t end up being the next person to be publicly flogged through news media and rumor.
ashamed
04/26/08 @ 4:28pm
In my three years at MSU I have never been impressed by the sub-par work of the State News, but allowing this article to be run is a new low. Kelly House, I hope that you realize the effect that your article will have on the rest of this young man’s life. Everyone on campus knows the state news rarely gets things right, but usually that is of little consequence. This is not.
Black Power! Whut?!
04/26/08 @ 9:32pm
“Black students will defend themselves from such attacks by whatever means necessary.”
Acting like a stereotype often results in people classifying you as a sterotype. So keep on chimpin’ you stupid stereotype!
aasdfg
04/27/08 @ 3:26pm
Max Schurig is not a racist.
Alisia
04/28/08 @ 12:50pm
I don’t know if this is racist issue or not. But I know the victim personaly,(she is my cousin) and I am here to tell you that that young man whether he is black, white or green, it doesn’t matter he had no business putting his hand on a fellow student. Megan is the sweetess young lady you will ever meet and the fact that he would do this to her or any other student doesn’t speak very well of him or his morals. Now if this type of behavior is an ongoing thing on campus and in particuarly that Hall, then it is time for the Administration to step up and do something about. It doesn’t matter if this kind of thing wasn’t happening before, it is happening now and needs to be dealt with. The administration has a duty to protect their students and if they don’t they have failed the students and the parents.
A Grain of Salt, Perhaps?
04/29/08 @ 1:51am
He certainly had no right to touch her, though it is possible he may have believed they were close enough it would have been alright (assuming it wasn’t a slap, which I have no idea about). Even so, clearly he touched her and she didn’t appreciate it. Punishment has been dealt.
As for the matter of this sort of thing being a “recurring event” I beg the question – What, exactly, do you want MSU to do about it? Unfortunately, MSU, nor any other university in the world, has the ability or even the right to screen their students for racism. These protests seemed to be aimed at the Case Hall staff for failing to do enough about people being racist and writing racial slurs on the whiteboards of black residents. How is the staff supposed to cut back on this kind of activity? Short of standing in the hallway and watching the hall the entire time, there is no way to find out who was writing those messages. All that can be done is to essentially speak with the residents about it, as the first floor mentor tried to until AJ Rice apparently broke it up and made the whole situation worse with his own racial comments. Both sides are as guilty – don’t fault the Case Staff for being unable to do anything about racism in people. No one in the world has been able to eliminate racist thoughts and motivations from the population, how can you expect the MSU residence life staff to do it?
Concerned Parent
04/29/08 @ 9:31am
This isn’t the first time Max has been involved in an incident of aggression toward a female. Pattern? Heads up. Royal Oak police records. Watch this guy.
Re: Concerned Parent
04/29/08 @ 10:23am
Actually, I just looked him up on the Royal Oak Police Department and didn’t see a damn thing for him. Please stop inflaming the situation with your supposition and innuendo. You are only making it worse. I can’t believe that a community of individuals can turn on someone without knowing the facts or caring to know the facts. Shame on all of you. You should know better.
Adam
04/30/08 @ 12:59am
This is what happens when anonymity is allowed on a public internet forum – inflammatory comments with little (or no) basis on truth, and blatant disregard for the life of a young man who already has to deal with the consequences of his actions.
I condemn this article by making it racially inflammatory. I am quite sure that the incident was not racially motivated, and while no one ever states that Max is a racist, it is implicitly implied by the fact that his name and race are associated with this article.
I also feel like if both parties were of the same race that the likelihood that this would be an issue is close to zero. While touching, and even slapping, someone may be considered assault, the likely punishment for this is likely to be much greater than it should be – simply because of the fact that race is involved.
So I thank everyone for setting us back further from complete racial equality by bringing up the issue when it is completely unnecessary. Congratulations, you are inflammatory.
Re: Re: Concerned Parent
04/30/08 @ 1:13am
This is in response to Max’s history of past aggression towards females in Royal Oak. I went to high school with Max, and there were charges threatened against him, not pressed, in 2006 for alleged sexual harassment against a fellow student after a series of lewd an inappropriate phone calls.
re: Adam
05/01/08 @ 10:07am
Thank you.
stereotype, behavior, culture
05/01/08 @ 3:26pm
Kyle Mays & AJ Rice = violent aggitators… psuedo-intellectual black separatists… racial criminal apologists… typical chimp stereotypes!
stereotype
Definition:
1. reduce somebody to a category: to categorize individuals according to a standardized image or idea based on traits or behaviors typically attributed to members of the group to which they belong.
Can anyone guess which group these two exhibit the traits and behaviors of?
BTW: most people (even blacks) use the “N” word as an epithet based on behavior and culture, not color! “Whut” size shoe?
re: stereotype, behavior, culture
05/03/08 @ 3:25pm
Let’s test this claim: Next time you see Kyle or AJ, call either one of them a “chimp” to their face. Oh, you wouldn’t do that? Than why talk all this smack on this message board?
All this anonymous cyber tough-talk is a joke. More cover for white bigots to say things they would never say to a Black person in their face. The essence of bigotry is cowardice, which appears in abundance in these posts.
Re: salt
05/03/08 @ 3:34pm
You must be Shannon. Only she or one of her staff would say things so utterly stupid. Duh, writing “nigger” on the door of an African American is a hate crime. The MSU Department of Public Safety even said so, and they are investigating this as a hate crime. Your statement, oh, what can case hall staff due to change people’s minds about race, only demonstrates how deeply ignorant and incompetent you are. If you don’t know anything about Michigan’s hate crimes laws, why are you in your jobs? What a friggin joke!
An African American student was chased up three flights of stairs and assaulted by the boyfriend of one of the white girls harrassing her. And case staff is like, oh, what can we do to change people’s minds? Are you retarded? Yeah, all yall case hall staff sitting on your as**s while black women are being assaulted need to be fired, like, yesterday!
Risking a chimpout...
05/03/08 @ 4:24pm
“Next time you see Kyle or AJ, call either one of them a “chimp” to their face. Oh, you wouldn’t do that?”
No, I probably wouldn’t do that… I wouldn’t want to risk them responding to my agitprop in the expected stereotypical fashion… i.e. – by whatever means necessary… if their self-image is such that name calling causes them to go “ape” then they are just reinforcing the label…
source: dept. of justice website
http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Homicide trends in the U.S.
Trends by race
Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide offenders
In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites
Homicide Offending Rates per 100,000 Population by Race
2005 White 3.5 Black 26.5
logic correction
05/04/08 @ 10:11pm
some (ironically anonymous) poster above said:
“The essence of bigotry is cowardice…”
Actually cowardice really has nothing to do with bigotry… Plenty of racists (black AND white) aren’t afraid to express their prejudice to the world… Equating bigotry with cowardice is just another way that “victims” of bigotry attempt to boost their self-esteem…
“that cracker said something I do not like or agree with so I will attribute negative traits to him and all those who would say such things… hmm, this bigot said what he said in a way I consider cowardly, so all bigots must be cowards… yeah, that’s it… all yalls cowards!”
Do you see the breakdown in logic?
I’d say instead that the essence of bigotry is ignorance and closedmindedness. If the racist could see beyond his own limited outlook he would find that individual humans regardless of “race” have the potential at birth to trancend any societal expectations placed upon them if they can both open themselves to the positive aspects of different cultures and reject the negative ones, including those negative and ultimately limiting aspects of their own culture. For Blacks this can mean denying their “victim” status and deliberately and purposfully refuting stereotypes… For whites this can mean recognizing that the dominant culture does not have a mompoly on intelligence or achievement ability and “minorities” do not have a monopoly on the expression of baser human behaviors, as well as praising and celebrating the former and rejecting the latter regardless of the color of the acheiver/perpretrator…
Austin Jackson
05/04/08 @ 10:38pm
Let try to keep the name-calling, slang, and idioms to a minimum and use grammatical english to prove we are respectful intelligent adult students having a conversation rather than a bunch of school-kids yelling at eachother across the playground…
specifically I am refering to: cracker, chimp, yall, funk dat, whut, etc…
let’s try not to perpetuate ANY preconcieved notions forum readers bring when they read these posts… (i.e. – try not to make your ethnicity or culture apparent from your language choices)
the views you eloquently express might give some clues to which “side” you’re on, but your wordchoice and grammer should not…
don’t write like a redneck or a homey/homegirl… it only undercuts your position!
Re: Austin Jackson
05/05/08 @ 5:07pm
Funk dat! “Chimp” is good grammar!