http://www.statenews.com A 19-year-old woman was sentenced to 15 days in the Ingham County Jail on Wednesday for her participation in the Cedar Fest riot. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:11:17 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20843 Why would the court need to enter an order restricting illigal activity. It’s illegal and by definition is already restricted. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:56:33 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20843 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20844 Does this mean that after 1 year she will be allowed to purchase, possess, and consume illegal drugs? This girl by be worth getting to know. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:58:16 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20844 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20845 This means that, as part of her probation, if she purchases alcohol or illegal drugs, and is caught, she will suffer greater consequences (like more/longer jail time). Whereas, without probation they might have let her off the hook with a warning or probation. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:30:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20845 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20846 This is totally crazy! MCL 769.1g is for people who’s actions lead to a riot! How is this right? I cannot believe that MSU students aren’t in an uproar while East Lansing overly uses its poor excuse for a justice system. What are you doing MSU students?! It’s time Michigan State takes back its town and East Lansing realizes that without MSU, East Lansing is nothing. This isn’t justice, and everyone knows it. Time to take action. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:50:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20846 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20850 MOST IMPORTANTLY is she good looking? the article failed to mention that critical fact. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:51:05 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20850 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20851 Insane: east lansing is not MSU students’ town, you stupid 10 year old jerk. when you get older you may understand. idiot! Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:52:25 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20851 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20852 Perhaps EL isn’t ‘owned’ by MSU and its students, but without the university EL would just be another mid-michigan town you drive through. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:00:16 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20852 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20853 Hey Champ, it was me who posted that under insane, and I’m puzzled how I’m the idiot looking under your post. Consider the facts: 80% of EL is provided by MSU. Want to consider the facts about economic structure? Why don’t you leave this up to people who are intelligent enough to realize that EL is making a very big mistake, mark my words. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:09:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20853 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20859 I am very glad that the courts are taking a strong stance on this. regardless of who came first the city or the university, it is inappropriate behavior that needs to be dealt with harshly. i just hope that other students over time realize that there is a consequence to actions. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:56:12 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20859 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20860 Marc…really? Let’s start issuing the death penalty for MIPs then. For sure it will show that there are SERIOUS consequences for offenses. But back on Earth…what’s the deal? So she flashed her funbags…who cares? Do you really think that’s what led to the riot? Nope. I’ll put my bet on the ELPD showing up in riot gear. Don’t believe me? I DARE you to read the 2003 commission about Cedar Fest. Then we can talk about who’s to blame. Facts are EL does not prevent this. Primarily because they profit from it happening. Roughly about $80,000. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:49:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20860 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20861 Really – You are telling me that police in riot gear is what causes people to turn into idiots? Is that some kind of joke? So if we see armed soldiers somewhere in public then it’s no wonder we engage in combat with them? The presence of police makes people act like dumbasses… the only dumbass here is you. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:14:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20861 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20862 Steve is right. the simple presence of the police is not what causes people to turn into idiots. if that were true there would be riots everywhere. the police in 2003 were wrong. i completely agree. but prior actions by the police do not justify lewd and indecent exposure. Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:36:31 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20862 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20864 It is now 2008. The students that were involved in the riots of 2003 should be graduated by now (assuming they can finish somewhat on time). Stop using that excuse. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:07:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20864 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20865 Former Football player pleads guilty to larceny of another MSU student. He gets 24 months probation, $860 in fines and 90 days in jail that can go away if he follows the rules of his probation. Girl commets the misdemeanor offenses of disordely conduct and indecent exposure. She gets 15 days in jail, 1 year probation, $1,994.40 fine and a 1 year restiction from all Mi institutions of higher learning. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:17:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20865 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20869 This is exactly what Sports Mind Control advocates. Now you know why the public hammered him so mercilessly. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:27:58 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20869 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20873 mug shots… Link: Cedarfest Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:18:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20873 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20876 Football player was sentence in Ingham County Circuit Court by Judge Paula J.M. Manderfield. The lawyer had case moved out of East Lansing Court 54B. Student’s cannot get a fair trial or sentencing in East Lansing 54B Court. They want to fry every student. Motion for change of venue if you are about to go to trial in East Lansing!!!!!!! They welcome students back from summer break. The student money machines have arrived!!! To all students and families, retain a lawyer if your going to MSU. East Lansing has more rules and regulations all to tap students for money. Read East Lansing’s home page. Student’s Beware!!! Just trying to help students. Have a great year at M.S.U.. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:01:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20876 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20880 I took a look at the MSU Police Cedar Riot link. They actually took the time to render a logo that says, “Cedar Fest, not a party anymore…” What a bunch of tools. I’m curious, did Michelle Sprenkel flash a few “rioters” to be nabbed for that indecent exposure charge? Check that, I’m going to friend her on Facebook.com Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:30:10 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20880 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20888 The Champ: Did you look at the mug shots? Haha thoughtfully provided the link this morning. I’m surprised she only got probation. A better sentence would be a paper-bag over the head for twelve years. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:03:54 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20888 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20891 I believe the MSU police are guilty of profiling—they’re all UGLY!! Is being ugly a pre-req for being stupid? Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:36:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20891 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20896 So an education is something they can bar you from having the “privilege” of access to? Pitiful excuse for a penalty for college kids being college kids. I’ve seen far worse behavior from people who have gone on to become incredibly productive elements in our society when I was in school in the 80’s. Somehow the folk’s in charge of the rules have lost all sense of perspective. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:15:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20896 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20903 S.Evans, Welcome to East Lansing now. This town hates student’s. Love there parents money. Look up 769.1g law. It allows all college towns in the state to throw kids out of school for being college kids. By the way East Lansing is also trying to buy out Cedar Village and turn it into upscale condos and shops. They want the students gone from this area! I wish Michigan State would build affordable apartments and a small town on campus. That way all the money would stay at Michigan State. GO GREEN!!!! East Lansing can get there wish, no students, no money. Good Bye East Lansing. Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:24:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20903 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20908 I moved to NC after I graduated and seem to have not paid attention to how East Lansing was invaded by people looking for some kind of illusory suburban bliss. I was there when people like Lash Larrow provided a constant reminder to people inclined to try and constrain the joy of freedom of college life. Does anyone stand up for the fun of being in college these days up there? What type of delusions does the city of East Lansing have that they would even exist if MSU students, for decades, hadn’t created their town. As for the purported “embarrasssment” felt by alumni over what occurred related to this event – my reaction….I emailed three people the link to the coverage and we all had a laugh. East Lansing — get over yourselves. Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:30:09 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20908 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20909 East Lansing sucks. None of these are jailable offenses, most of the people they arrested that night didn’t even do anything wrong. Oh man I hope some kid gets found not guilty and sues the crap out of them for this insanity Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:59:43 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20909 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20913 S.Evans, NickT, I agree with you TOTALLY. This is taken out of proportion so badly is barely comprehendible. Most of these people did what, throw a can? Flash their boobs? And THAT’S worth the fines, jail time, and being suspended from school? I’m an MSU alum and if there’s anything I’m ashamed of it’s of East Lansing acting like a bunch of pricks. This has been happening for years and from what I hear, this years wasn’t that big of a deal. C’mon spartans! Help out your family! None of us think this is right…do something about it! Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:53:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20913 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20915 East Lansing DOES suck. I say move the university and let that two bit podunk town rot. We will see how much “The Champ” (aka the chump) likes it when his house goes from being worth 250k to 50k. Also, Steve, I know you are an inbred hick who can’t read, so you can’t even read this but for everyone who says Really – You are telling me that police in riot gear is what causes people to turn into idiots? Is that some kind of joke? So if we see armed soldiers somewhere in public then it’s no wonder we engage in combat with them?” YES!!! That is true! It has been psychologically proven time and time again, that when cops “dress up” in riot gear they are MORE likely to be attacked. Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:42:05 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20915 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20917 Maybe MSU alumi can help. As we all know money talks!!! Even at MSU. We need to help these students. East Lansing says it wants to get along with students but you should read all the codes directed at students. They also want students to register there parties with them. Ya, right, how dumb do they think they are. Given 4 or more people together can be deemed a riot in East Lansing. By the way the ACLU is watching East Lansing and how this is handled. Some of the kids where given 769.1g even and some where arrested 2 to 4 hours prior riot. But because they were arrested in that area they face the same punishment as the others. SICK OF EAST LANSING! Hit them where it hurts there pocketbooks. If some of you only new all the facts it’d make you sick. Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:11:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20917 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20919 marc you are a very stupid, vindictive, hypersensitive, and irrational person. “Steve is right. the simple presence of the police is not what causes people to turn into idiots. if that were true there would be riots everywhere” Really, Marc? You think seeing a cop car on the side of the road as you walk by has the same immediate social consequences as dozens of police in riot gear surrounding a large group of milling, drunk people? Do you consider yourself a stupid person? You are. Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:11:29 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20919 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20924 Smokey and [worthless piece of shit] copkiller, Can either of you two morons show me some proof of this? You both make claims that seeing a cop in riot gear makes you act like an idiot. Can either of you back this up with some kind of legitimate study or something other than your anecdotal idiocy? Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:14:46 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20924 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20925 Not to mention this girl is accused of indecent exposure. So seeing cops in riot gear causes girls to take off their shirts? Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:17:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20925 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20927 Steve, you’re a moron. Of course we have evidence. As I said before, look up the 2003 commission where sociologists and psychologists testified that cops in riot gear DO have very significant influence. Go back to your day job because litigation clealy isn’t your thing. Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:03:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20927 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20931 Really? Please show me some of this evidence. Show the rest of us this 2003 commission that supposedly says that cops in riot gear make people act like idiots. (I’ll forget about the fact that sociology and psychology testimony is not a scientific study, it is simply the OPINION of a few people) Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:01:22 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20931 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20932 Steve, I’m currently away from my computer (I’m on my iPhone and can’t copy and paste hyperlinks) however, if you go to city of east landings website you can search it there. As stated before, you suck at litigation. these are only opinions? Yes dumbs*it, the opinions of people who have PhDs and have studyed the mind of an adolesant for years. You want scientific fact? Go study gravity or plants. However, when you do some reading you’ll find that all psychology is opinion and theory! For christs sake, there’s none of your ‘scientific fact’ that the mind exists! It’s all opinion yes, but the consolidated opinion of persons much more qualified than yourself. My biggest fear is that the people of east lansing are as arrogant, sinical & idioic as yourself, sir. Perhaps that’s why we’re witnessing this overuse of power in the first place. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:43:01 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20932 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20933 It does sound a bit harsh, but we don’t know how she acted in court, if she had a decent lawyer. What we do know is that EL and MSU have a symbiotic relationship that would be much healthier were in not based in conflict. I believe we all learned about sharing and cooperation in kindergarten, didn’t we? Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:33:34 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20933 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20935 So you are telling me that if something comes gift-wrapped in a PHD that makes it fact and should be taken as gospel? That is some dangerous advice. After all, there are people with PHDs that insist the Holocaust didn’t exist, that we never landed on the moon… shall I go on? The only thing their testimony does is simply reiterate the fact that a large portion of our population are morons. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:15:16 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20935 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20937 Steve, so what you’re suggesting is that we specifically shouldn’t trust PhDs because one in hundreds of thousands may suggest we didn’t land on the moon? That it by far the most idoic thing I’ve ever heard. Education makes people less trustworthy? I think not, sir. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:55:35 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20937 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20939 Evidence is what we should trust, not some guys opinion just because it comes with a PHD. Show me some evidence. I’d be happy to read some scientific studies to back up their claims. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:44:51 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20939 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20942 I am the mother of Michelle and I feel very strongly that the punishment does not fit the crime. A fine would have been sufficient. The night she was arrested she blew a zero and was made to do PBTs daily for over 3 months. Where is the justification in that. Also the jail time cost her her flight attendant job. She is an ambitiuos 18 year old that made a stupid mistake for one second and is being punished too extremely. Didn’t you ever make a mistake in your younger days and learn from that? And why are the courts taking education away from our youth. And a comment to The Champ about the bag over her head. Have you ever seen an attractive mug shot? You’d certainly eat your words if you checked her out on my space, she’s gorgeous. At her sentencing the judge even said she had the least charge of all, so why the harsh punishment. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:18:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20942 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20944 Colette, I an a current msu student and I want to stress our shared opinion. What is happening here is not justice, but make no mistake; I am on the forefront of this battle. I encourage you to seek independant justice for your daughter. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:52:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20944 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20945 Collette you are an idiot for a mother. It’s no wonder she has turned out the way she has. To be honest, I cannot recall the last time I made a “stupid mistake” like that. After all, it’s all part of the college experience apparently showing up to an unlawful gathering to flash the crowd in hopes of getting tear-gassed. I personally enjoy seeing all of these morons taken to the cleaners so that the future idiots of MSU are deterred from such behavior. That way, those of us that actually come to MSU for an education, not just an excuse to act like a dumbass and trash the school’s reputation for 4+ years, can be proud. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:16:12 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20945 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20947 Hey, Steve, don’t ever knock my mother on her parenting skills or intelligence. I am fifteen months older than my sister, the one that you included into your “morons” comment, and I want to know just where the fuck you get off calling people “idiots” and “morons” when you don’t have a clue what type of person they are, or the situation they were placed in. There’s nothing I can do except for give you some advice. Next time you want to open up your cock gobbler and give another half-wit opinion, you could piss off a Marine that’s not on the other side of the world. Go fuck yourself you fucking queer. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:49:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20947 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20951 Collette I did indeed check out your wonderful daughter’s Myspace, and I must say she is in fact very gorgeous… I especially enjoy her “drunkass model pose”. Oh, and I find it so precious that she has pictures of the event that sent her to jail on there. You must be so proud. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:04:13 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20951 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20952 To Steve, I would love to talk to your mother to hear about your mistake free childhood. You probably attend MSU because you couldn’t meet the standards of U of M Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:04:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20952 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20953 to Oh Yes, I am proud of my daughter. She has worked since she was 12, honor roll all through high school and has never had a traffic ticket. One mistake in life does not change my opinion. Are your children perfect? Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:07:43 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20953 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20954 Wow, posting catty remarks on a college newspaper comment board, real mature for parent. I can see where your daughter gets her decision making skills from. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:21:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20954 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20955 Collette, I don’t have children and I’m sure when I do they will be far from perfect. But let me tell you what, I also worked since it was legal, was on the honor roll in high school, and even graduated with honors and somehow I managed to make it through my college years without flashing my ta-tas to a crowd of strangers. People like your daughter give my alma mater a bad name and that just doesn’t sit right with me! Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:25:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20955 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20960 Collette, I agree the punishment does not fit the crime. East Lansing has issues with students. I would contact the ACLU regarding this. In the past riot a student did the exact same thing and the ACLU fought for the student and won. Aclu has been watching for civil rights issues regarding recent Cedar Fest. As a parent of a MSU student I think it is time the parents of college students ban together and stop this nonsense. East Lansing has got to learn to get along with students. Our students are learning to become adults. Being at college is the first step and to take that away from them is not right. You daughter did not harm anyone. I’ve seen worse at football games and tallgate parties. These are suppose to be adults? Not students mind you, but alumi. I wish your daughter the best and hope she returns to MSU. To all of you, support the students. They are our future!!! Everyone makes mistakes! We are human, that is how we learn. Don’t pass jugdement unless you have the whole story!!!!! I feel sorry for those who think they are perfect. Your day will come!!!! Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:30:03 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20960 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20961 Steve, The sight of officers in riot gear undoubtedly stimulates the amygdala, which causes adrenaline to be released into the brains of pretty much anyone around. Under normal circumstances, this should be enough to trigger a ‘fear response’, which would tell an individual to avoid the situation. However, when large groups of people are gathered together, at night, and there is alcohol involved, the brain is far likelier to activate a ‘fight response’ to this stimulus. This response is the result of a primal network of neurons that are completely outside of consciousness. By clearly displaying symbols of physical control (shields, teargas, uniforms, etc.) the riot gear absolutely increases the likelihood of aggressiveness in the gathered crowd. That’s really basic social psychology. Also, congrats on once again proving Godwin’s Law! Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:38:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20961 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20963 Yes what i did was obviously not the smartest decision i’ve made throughout my life i am not afraid to admit that. I attended that riot to show my support for MSU i had no planned intention of exposing myself to the crowd. There are such things as stupid mistakes and that night is the perfect example of one. Im not saying i dont deserve to be punished i just feel that the punishment given to me is a little extreme for the crime. I have no previous offenses not even a traffic violation and to come down on me so hard is a litle much. There’s also no need to be so harsh to my mother, you know that if it was your child no matter what they did you would stand up for them like a good parent would. She has great parenting skills she taught me right from wrong, to get an education, and to be kind to others; her part is done now its up to me if i decide to follow her teachings and for the most part i have. What i did at Cedar Fest or any other night in that matter, does not make me a bad person, im a good person who just made a bad decision. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:27:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20963 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20966 Michelle, Good Luck with your future. I hope it means coming back to MSU. Yes, we all make stupids mistakes. I know many students who attended Cedar Fest. They are all fantastic people. Youe deserve the right to attend college and make mistakes. Don’t let some of these people online get you down. They don’t even know you. Nether do I, but I hate idiots. I am a MSU mom and your mother is right. As a parent we always support our children. Do mess with our kids!!!! Hold you head high and get on with your life. All of this will pass. Trust me. These people online trashing you are really low lifes who get there kicks from hurting others!!! BULLIES, your time will come and I hope you have as much class as this young lady. She admitted she made a mistake. Leave her alone!!! Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:22:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20966 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20967 Michelle is my best friend, I was standing next to her the night she was arrested. Shit was crazy! Anyway, she was my DD, she hadn’t had a drop to drink that whole night, yet she still gets probation for this where she can’t drink? Ummm, how does this make sense? Unfortunately Michelle is being made an example of. Hey kids, don’t show your funbags, you’ll go to jail. Sorry Michelle, i’m not questioning why you where arrested, I think thats fair, but the punishment and fines you recieved is not. I’ll be at the next cedar fest, i’ll just wear my riot gear too! Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:42:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20967 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20969 i like how she is prohibited from buying booze for a year, someone really must’ve done the math right to determine that a 19 year old still won’t be able to buy booze a year from today…and anyway, this is when having canada right across the river becomes her greatest allie if she wants to get liquored up…perhaps they should’ve put a teether on her kwame style? Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:21:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20969 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20970 So let me get this straight, your “evidence” is that in a crowd people tend to act towards police in riot gear in a “fight” mode. I wasn’t aware that showing your chest to a crowd of people was a survival technique. I am curious as to where in the evolutionary process that has helped humans survive. I also find it a bit humorous how you compare a bunch of drunk idiots with the police in the vicinity to the Nazi control of Germany. I’m sure those that were actually under Nazi control would be appalled by your comparison of Cedar Fest to Nazi control. I also find it interesting how you say that attending an event solely by choice somehow induces a fight/flight response. Moreover, the police were not even in full riot-gear anyways. Most of them weren’t wearing much more than a helmet (which was to protect them from brain damage from the crowd of morons throwing objects). Collette – So getting good grades some how negates someones responsibility for their crimes? Since I’ve been on the honor roll through all of high school and college, that would negate some of my responsibility if I came and vandalized your home? Nicholas – You know you have nothing intelligent left to say when you must resort to making comments such as, “Go fuck yourself you fucking queer.” I didn’t know that posting on the statenews.com website was some how tied to homosexuality. I guess you learn something new everyday huh. I’m sick of idiots like Michelle and all the others busted at Cedar Fest giving my school a bad reputation. Contrary to what “Help the students” says, attending college is a privilege, not a right. It’s a privilege that should be taken away from every idiot that does not deserve it. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:42:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20970 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20974 for real steve if your so intelligent and so much better than everyone else why the hell are you running your mouth about everyone! that just makes you as bad as everyone you think your better than. You could have just made one little comment voicing your opinion but no you had to make yourself look like a jackass by arguing back and forth with everyone like a little 12 year old girl! if anyones the idiot it really looks like you right about now!!! Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:57:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20974 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20975 I agree with Seriously. I’m getting tired of hearing Steves opinion. Hey Steve, you voiced your opinion now go away. We’ve heard enough from you. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:10:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20975 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20977 I agree with Interested and Seriously. This guy Steve has some real issues. He needs to get a life!!! He is taking this Cedar Fest far to personal. These kids did nothing to him. I think he a has mental health problem. He needs counseling!!! Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:28:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20977 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20978 To “Support The Students” Thank you for the advice to contact ACLU. I will let you know what happens. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:05:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20978 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20982 Although the penalty for the flasher seems harsh, I am certain she must be held responsible for her senseless behavior and profound idiocy. DO NOT blame the culture, peacefulness, and vibrancy that defines East Lansing. And NEVER blame Michigan State – an institution that has helped transform our state, the country, and world. The individuals who participated in the disturbance chose to do so and took the risk of consequences. You can have a good time drinking without being stupid. When it comes down to it the girl was acting stupid and I am sure will never flash in public again. GO GREEN! Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:28:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20982 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20986 To Rob, Yes she does deserve punishment, our complaint was that the punishment was harsh. Especially since she wasn’t drinking that night and that all her daily PBT’s were zero for the following three months. She is being punished for crimes she never committed. She should only be punished for the crime she committed. To Steve, again, the whole issue is as stated to Rob. She isn’t saying she doesn’t deserve punishment, just not so harsh. Also, why are you referring to vandalism, she never did any of that. You should read and think before making your comments. from the mother of Michelle Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:50:26 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20986 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20987 Also, to Steve regarding Nicholas. I hope you don’t think any of your comments are intelligent in any way. At least he’s man enough to become a Marine and defend his country rather than mouth off about a university. Have you served your country? Duh!! Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:00:09 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20987 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20988 Collette, you are absolutely ridiculous. Do you even read what you’re writing? If so, how do you NOT realize how CHILDISH you sound? You’re condoning your son calling a perfect stranger a “fucking queer” as a legitimate insult. Is that how you raised your children, to be homophobic assholes who flash there lady parts to the world? Being a Marine has obviously done nothing for your son to prove that he’s a man, a REAL man wouldn’t fling pointless insults at people who are JUST STATING THEIR OPINIONS. And “DUH!!” COME ON, you’re an adult, start talking like one! Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:52:03 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20988 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20990 Hey Oh Yes, Back at you Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:54:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20990 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20991 Collett, Here is ACLU information. Collette, Here is ACLU information. Hope it helps. Michael J. Steinberg, Legal Director American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan 60 West Hancock Street Detroit, MI 48201 (313) 578-6814 fax (313) 578-6811 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:59:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20991 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20992 To Help the Students Thank you. I emailed aclu@aclumich.org but will also call that number tomorrow. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:19:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20992 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20993 Collette, If we don’t fight for our kids no one will. Best of luck to Michelle. I hope she comes back to MSU. She deserves a college education. I live in a community outside of Lansing and have a MSU student. East Lansing has issues with students. The police feel threatened. For some reason they are overwhelmed with the number of students in there community. You’d think they would understand, but they don’t. East lansing funds there town by ticketing students. I am very upset with there treatment of all these students. I intend to support these kids any way I can. Someone has to be on there side. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:46:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20993 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20994 I didn’t know that having an opinion on an issue and sharing it on statenews.com was a mental disorder. It’s not in the DSM4 so I guess I’ll have to look forward to it being added to the DSM5 in a few years. Also, I am not sure where I said anywhere that Michelle vandalized anything. Rather, it was an analogy to committing another type of crime and some how getting good grades would vitiate my responsibility. Additionally, I am not sure where being in the military was germane to the topic at hand. Yes, as a matter of fact I am in the military. However, I did not see where it was necessary to bring that into the conversation since someone being unable to keep their shirt on in a large crowd really has nothing to do with military service. Maybe I am wrong, but I do not see the connection between the two. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:59:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20994 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20995 Steve, Trashing fellow MSU students just is not right. Each of these students got caught up in moment. Some of them where arrested prior to the Cedar fest riot. Some where even arrested leaving the area at 10:00pm after watching from Grand River. So trashing them is not right. Some of the kids arrested did indeed cause a major problem that nite and should be given jail time. But not all where involved with the riot. Some where watching from houses on Cedar St near Grand River and some other the other side of Bogue. So unless you have all the facts you need to move on and stop judging. The newspaper and East Lansing website do not have all the facts listed or when they where arrested. East Lansing decided to include all those arrested between 10:00pm and 3:00am in the riot, even if they where not involved in any way with the riot. The facts are not what they seem. The call to leave was not given till 1:55am. The sign on Cedar and Watersedge did not come down till 1:46am. This is the area where the problem took place. So please do some research before you start throwing anymore stones. OK. Some of these MSU students really are getting a bad rap. Trust me. I am helping them anyway I can. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:25:34 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20995 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20997 First of all and by far most of all, I have known this family for along time and they are very fine people. Beyond that I am happy to read all the supportive people on their side, they should have that support. I as a mother know the trials and the difficult task of raising kids, and know one person has a book to read how to do it. Us parents do the best we know and that is all we can do. The punishment was way beyond the crime. As far as this STEVE person, get a life, it seems you have way to much time on your hands to write every chance you have a minute. Also, STEVE, one word of advice from a person that really and truly knows and belives, watch what you judge and what you say because………….“WHAT GOES AROUND WILL COME AROUND!!!!” and that is a fact.. SO GOOD LUCK STEVE, I hope one day I can say to you “I TOLD YOU SO!, YOU SHOULD OF NOT JUDGED, AND KEPT YOU MOUTH SHUT.”……………AMEN Good Luck to the very special Sprenkel family. We love you. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:10:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20997 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20998 OH AND BY THE WAY IT SHOULD OF BEEN “…KEPT your MOUTH SHUT….Don’t even go there, I just got off of a 16 hour shift. Sorry I didn’t do my spell check…I HAVE A LIFE……… Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:17:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20998 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20999 Steve- in a usual situation I would have just beat the living hell out of you and that be that. Unfortunately, I’m stuck way the hell over here and must resort to childish name calling to express my anger. I just assumed you were gay by having so much free time on your hands while attending school. I know when I hung out at MSU, the last thing I would ever do was to go floating around the web and making fun of people. It’s called a “social life” you might want to give one of those a go instead of playing on your porn box. Also, Reserves don’t count… FAG Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:40:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/20999 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21000 “Trashing fellow MSU students just is not right.” -Trashing our school’s reputation is not right. Those that do ruin MSU’s reputation should be used to make an example out of. “Each of these students got caught up in moment.” -Each and every person there CHOSE to be there. Being surrounded by idiots does not give you the excuse to act like one. There’s a reason why the few dozen arrested idiots were singled out of a crowd of 5000, and it wasn’t because they were just innocent bystanders. Also, regardless of what time they were arrested, they should all be charged the same. It was the same crowd of morons at 10pm that were told to leave at 1am. The gathering was illegal from the get-go, the police just let it go on for sometime to wait for back up and mostly for politics. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:27:54 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21000 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21001 Collette, Here the case for reference regarding ACLU case won against East Lansing. Woman Ordered to Pay Restitution for Exposing Breasts – A Michigan State University student was charged with indecent exposure for briefly “flashing” her breasts during a street gathering following MSU’s loss in the NCAA basketball tournament last year. Although there was no connection between the woman’s act and the property damage caused by others during the post-game “riot”, a judge ordered her to pay $2,300 in restitution for the property damage (in addition to seven days in jail). The ACLU filed an amicus brief, arguing that the restitution order violates due process. (City of East Lansing v. Quitmeyer; Cooperating Attorneys: Prof. Dorean M. Koenig and Frederick M. Baker, Jr.). Good Luck!!!! Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:05:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21001 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21002 If the gathering was so illegal steve why didn’t the police just block that street off earlier on in the night. They knew the whole day that people were trying to do the cedar fest that night, they had plenty of time to get there back up in and find a way to stop the riot before it even happened. Did you ever think of that smartass!! Oh yeah… the kids arrested at the riot didn’t give MSU a bad reputation if you haven’t noticed MSU has had a rep for years. If you dont like the thought of your college having a bd reputation maybe you should have thought a little harder abut going to one of the top party schools in Michigan!!! Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:12:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21002 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21006 If anyone out here is interested the 769.1g may have civil rights issues. It addresses students and does not effect public in general. We need to question our law makers on this. Contact ACLU and fill a complaint. A law should not single out one group or individual. Plus it can be added to charges after the fact. This law has large holes in it. I think it needs to be questioned. Steve, So you get a ticket and show up court . The judge sees that you were in a general area and tacks on another charge? Even thou you weren’t near the problem and just passing by. HMMM? Is this right. Gee Steve, What do you think? Trashing MSU? I think not!!! These are some major facts East Lansing and the newspapers neglected to include in there reports. Sure hope you don’t find yourself walking within a 4 block area where a party has gotten out of hand and get pick up for just walking down street after having a few beers downtown. This did indeed happen to some of those students who you are trashing. Think about it!!!! It could happen to you!!!!!! Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:27:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21006 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21007 steve obviously your not as smart as you want to sound. Go about three of your comments back and read it over you said something to michelles mother about it being okay for you to come vandalize their home. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:11:17 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/21007