http://www.statenews.com When Brandon White steps up to the register in the grocery store, he wishes he could just pay with cash, instead of a bright-orange food stamps card. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:28:27 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22809 Let me get this right…I worked as an attorney full time while getting my MBA, but if someone would rather not work while they go to school, then they can get food assistance that I help pay for. WTF. School is a choice. If you can’t afford it, get a job at least part-time. Please don’t ask those of us who work to subsidize your desire not to. That’s not the decent thing to do. Save the food stamps for people who are actually in need. Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:30:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22809 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22812 Juan you’re just bitter that you didn’t take advantage of it! Getting food stamps while in college is so you don’t have the strain of a job as a full-time student! Going to school isn’t about paying for it, it’s about learning. Besides, who’s to say that there isn’t enough food stamp money allocated for whoever applies/needs them (and the application for the bridge card determines your level of need). Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:02:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22812 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22824 “Going to school isn’t about paying for it, it’s about learning.” Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? I work part-time and I am in medical school. Last spring I was taking 26 credit hours of graduate-level courses, and some how I still managed to work. You chose to go to college. If you can’t cut it financially, then cut back your class load and work half of the week. There are ways to do it with good time management and proper use of LOANS. Stop mooching off the people that actually have a job. Many people from poor backgrounds make it through college without having to draw from the welfare system. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:16:09 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22824 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22825 Fredrik: I guess you miss the point. I’m all for helping out those who are desperately in need, struggling to raise kids in the face of job losses or some such thing. But someone who finds it more convenient to be a full-time student rather than to work? Well, if we’re talking about them getting aid from a charity, that’s one thing. But the food stamp program is coerced charity through taxation, “charity at the barrel of a gun”, so to speak. I happen to resent being coerced to subsidize Mr. White’s lifestyle choices, as do a great many grown-ups who work, pay taxes, and have to prioritize in their own lives. I agree that school is about learning. No serious question there. But what kind of man says “I feel like learning, and I’m going to make everybody else pay for my learning because I don’t happen to want to support myself?” Shall we pay for gas for Mr. White’s car, too? Perhaps front him some beer money? And heck, why not give him an account at Meridian Mall so he can buy clothes and gifts and home furnishings while we’re at it. I guess I just worry that if we move the line to include food assistance, those web of things justified by feelings of entitlement is just going to keep subsuming more incidents of life; before too long, we will have justified providing full life subsidy to those who choose to go to school without working. This is neither economically tenable nor morally justifiable. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:19:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22825 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22844 The people I know who are on this are far from being in need. Most of their parents are paying for the school and rent. They just need it for grocery money. There are some serious flaws in how they distribute these cards. It is based off of your own personal assets but it does not factor in the money parents give the kids as gifts since those are not reported. If the kid shows a $3000 bank account, he can claim he is paying for rent and school when he really isn’t. They do a very lax job checking these things and plenty of people are stealing these government handouts intended for the poor. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:06:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22844 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22851 “Once you’re out of the dorms, the cost of food is coming out of your pockets.” Somehow I have a hard time believing anyone coming off a $6000 MSU mealplan can’t figure out how to feed themselves for the equivilent of $700 a month. It all comes out of your pocket brother, unless your on the government’s tab for board too. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:44:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22851 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22852 I’m split, gang. Half of me shares Juan’s sentiments about coerced charity. But, the other half of me would rather see assistance go to students who, presumably, will obtain gainful employment and subsequently “pay back” (“Pay forward”?) their share via taxes…versus the handouts to n’er-do-wells who don’t have jobs but have fancy new sneakers and play their X-box all day. If the program is truly an investment in society…I’m in favor. If it’s just a reward for the perpetually lazy and unproductive…count me out. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:44:10 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22852 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22860 I don’t think we have the right to judge. I know a lot of kids that have to pay their way through college. Maybe those of you that are complaining are the ones that had everything handed to them by mom or dad. I know that I am looking into the bridge card because I graduated from MSU and my field of work is definately not a high paying profession. I work 40+ hours a week and hardly make enough to pay rent, bills, etc. Not everyone is looking to be “lazy” and ask for a handout. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:12:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22860 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22862 I am a college student on food stamps and I think it’s a great thing, Sorry Steve I don’t want to cut my load back because I would like to start working full time before I’m 30. I would much rather have us college students using food stamps then some crack head who just chooses not to work. I also work 15-20 hours a week SO IT’S NOT LIKE I’M CHOOSING NOT TO WORK. I pay for my own school, my rent, car insurance, cell phone, and everything else I need. It’s nice to have a little bit of assistance. I’m sorry i’m not like you Juan and Steve who don’t have a life other than school. See i actually have friends and a social life too so I am not going to take 15 credits and work 40 hours a week. I’m sorry. I am thankful for food stamps Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:14:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22862 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22865 Juan. Are you kidding me? Your ignorance is astonishing. I work TWO part time jobs, AND I am a full time student and it’s still not enough to cover all of the bills. I pay taxes too, you know, and the assistance is here for those of us who need it. Just because someone is working does not mean it’s necessarily enough to pay for everything. I pay rent, and student loan bills, and books, and tuition on my double major, and phone bills. Must be nice to score a good full time job while you’re in school, but some of us aren’t so lucky. And working on your MBA is different than your BA. Once you already have a BA, yeah it’s obviously easier to get a good full time job and go to school. But I don’t have that option because I am still working on my undergrad. You just need to remember that we’re not all in your situation, and your experiences do not apply to the majority. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:25:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22865 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22875 ARE YOU ALL F@CKING SERIOUS????? Where the heck do you think all the money comes for these Bridge Cards?? TAXES…MY TAXES…YOUR TAXES……. Why am I subsidizing people to go to school? These cards were designed for dirt poor people(old, people in absolute poverty) so they don’t starve…not for punk white kids in College. College is a CHOICE….if you can’t afford it don’t go. Oh..and I’m SURE that Brandon couldn’t possibly squeeze another $170 out of his budget…I would bet my left arm that Brandon has a cell phone, goes out for beer with his buddies, etc etc…. No wonder this country is in such a unbelievable financial mess…everyone expects others to pay for them Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:16:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22875 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22879 ‘Student’ above. You work two jobs and are a full time student, and still can’t pay your bills? Pardon me, but lay off the sauce for a few semesters and act like someone who needs to be fiscally responsible. I am pretty sure that – and I could be wrong – your loans were all cosigned, or paid for, by your parents. I work 40 hours a week and go to school. I pay my tuition, all my bills, and go out once in a while. I refuse to get a Bridge Card because I believe other people need it more than me. And this nonsense about note getting a good job? How about trying to find one? Have you? I make $22 an hour working at a job that I had to find by myself. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:27:19 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22879 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22883 Colin, You are right to consider the possibility that you “could” be wrong. Firstly, telling me to “lay off the sauce” was rude and uncalled for. I am 18 years old, I don’t go out to the bar, I don’t go to parties, I don’t drink and it’s none of your business anyway. Secondly, you would be VERY wrong to assume that any of my college expenses are paid for or even close to cosigned by my parents. Not all of us grew up privileged with rich parents. So much for “pretty sure”, eh? Your experiences do not apply to the rest of us. My parents have a Bridge Card as well, I am going to school to assure that I do not end up in their economic situation. Don’t assume everyone has the opportunities you do. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:53:42 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22883 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22885 I can see both sides this. On one hand there are plenty of students such as myself who have absolutely no help from their parents or siblings. For all I know my parents probably don’t even know where I go to college, they were both alcoholic bums. There are students that need this but there are also students that abuse it as well. I have looked into the bridge card but not actually gotten around to putting in an application for one and I probably wont until I am forced to eat ramon noodles every day. I work 25 hours a week at 12 dollars an hour but its not enough to pay for rent and food. This is mostly because my parents bring in around 25,000 combined and MSU expects them to take out a 4000 parent loan to help cover living expenses which they cannot do because they have absolutely horrible credit and it would mean less trips to the bar each week. It is already costing me 10,000 a year in loans and its hard to make ends meet. So before you just assume that everyone that uses the bridge card is a well off college student stealing taxpayers money think again. I think this problem could be easily solved if they checked into the parents financial situation as well. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:55:44 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22885 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22894 If the cards went to people who couldn’t afford it, I’d be happy. If it goes to save some dude beer money and teach him proper nutrition, and to spend his cash at a grocery store instead of blowing it on fast food, Granholm deserves a kick in the balls. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:50:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22894 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22899 Hey jjones Student loans are there for a reason so we can go to school and get a good job. Sorry i can’t afford college and I am living on student loans but it’s the only way i can find a good enough job to support a family in the future Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:19:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22899 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22904 Prior to MSU I worked full time and paid my taxes-no bridge card. Attended MSU- used bridge card. Finished at MSU, work full time and pay taxes-no bridge card. Now maybe my situation was a little different since I had a five year old when I started at msu, I was also 36 when I made the transition back to school and had paid taxes since I began working at 17 years old. I do not have a problem with people using the system if they need to. God knows what I would have done if all I had was the part time job with the U and a full slate of classes. If you need it by all means use it, that’s what it’s there for. If you don’t need it don’t use it. If you need it while your at school fine, what really upsets me are the apartments I drive by everyday that have the 4 or 5 females their 7 kids and, most likly, the fathers sitting out on the porch doing nothing at any given time of day. When are we going to stop paying for the people that have figured out that if the females pretend they don’t know where or who the father is, we, the tax payer, will give enough money for all of them to sit around on the porch all day. I also know that once in awhile they do get caught. My neighbors son had a child with his “girlfriend”, they had been together for several years. Well, so it goes that she had been telling the state that she had no idea where the father of the first child was and was able to collect money from your pocket for 6 years based on this lie; all the while he’s living with her. As fate would have it she became pregnant again and due to the fact that they aren’t very bright they went ahead and put dumb asses, (my pet name for him), name on the birth record. The good out come is that he has to actually hold a job,(she had always had a fulltime job), and they have to pay some of the money back. However the bad part is they still don’t make enough money so they are still recieving a nice chunk of change for food from the state. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:00:26 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22904 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22911 MSU: “I know that I am looking into the bridge card because I graduated from MSU and my field of work is definately not a high paying profession.” Who’s fault is that?? If you go to a Big 10 university expect to pay high tuition. Just because you feel the need to go to a good school to work a lousy paying job is not my fault or anyone who has read this article. Get a degree at a community college and pay a third. Or, here’s a brain buster for you, GET A BETTER PAYING JOB! If your lifestyle is not conducive to your career choice then change one or the other. You libs are big on change when it comes to everyone elses lives except your own. One other thing: it’s disgusting that the state news publishes info on how students can apply to this loop-holed program. And the fact they have a spokeswoman encouraging this is horrible. They are raping the Michigan taxpayers and no one wants to stand up against them. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:35:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22911 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22915 I didn’t know college students could get a bridge card. I may have to get one myself. I pay 30k in tuition and work 20 hrs/week at $11/hr. Thanks State News! Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:54:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22915 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22927 “If you can’t cut it financially, then cut back your class load and work half of the week. “ Yeah, cause that’s always possible. I have more than a full schedule of classes, I work part time and I have 18 hrs of week of an unpaid internship. Unpaid internship is requred for my major. Along with that most of my classes are required to be taken at the same time as my internship. Cutting school back to part time while doing the internship so that I can work more hours is not an option. As for the statenews, it would have been nice to include some information in here about how this applies to college students who are dependents. I’m still considered a dependent of my mother, who has a new job and no longer qualifies for food stamps herself. But we live in different cities, buy and cook food separetly and my groceries come from what I manage to make at work (which right now means I can’t afford to pay my rent.) Alone, I know I qualify. But how do I fill out the forms if I am a dependent? Do I simply not qualify based on that? I’ve been wondering for a long time where I fall because of these factors and I’m sad to see that the statenews didn’t bother to mention such things in an article on the use of bridge cards by students, many of whom are still considered dependents of their parents. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:42:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22927 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22934 Erin – Stop being lazy. Pick a different major if you can’t afford the setup you are currently functioning with. Something has to give, either your lifestyle or your class load. Why do I have to pay for you to get through school? College is a luxury. Another thing… if you are so poor, then tell your mom to stop being a tightwad and using you as a tax deduction. Then stand on your own two feet financially and you can become independent. On a finishing note… COLLEGE IS A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT. Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:59:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22934 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22938 “Why do I have to pay for you to get through school?” Because if you don’t, you could be arrested for tax evasion, that’s why. And I don’t feel sorry about that. If someone who has enough money to get by just fine has to pay a tiny portion of that in taxes so other people have the basic necessities of living like food, I’m not going to be upset that the first person had to pay a little bit of money to help those who didn’t have the same privileges of them. And look up where your taxes go. The bridge card system is not where the majority of your taxes go. The fraction of what you pay that you are whining about is so small. Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:52:09 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22938 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22951 Amen,Erin!!! Maybe these “anti-government” waterheads should stay in their bunkers!!“I WORKED as an attorney while getting my MBA”..Are you serious? Attorneys are more of a parasite than the poor people who need a helping hand DOUCHEBAGS!!! Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:11:12 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22951 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22988 I think this article goes to show the stigma that america automatically places on people who go and get assistance. I get sooooo tired of people saying work harder. I don’t think most students have worked as hard as i have. I worked as a janitor for 5 years to get through school to buy books. Ive literally cleaned feces off of toilet stools till 4 oclock in the morning at the physical plant. This is something im sure most students would never in their life do. I have a bridge card!! YOU WANNA KNOW WHY? MY RENT IS 431 dollars a month and i only make 340 every two weeks at the phys. IM SORRRY BUT i got tired of going to the msu food bank. THe reality is some people can’t afford food even though they make work their ass off. HOW BOUT THIS FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY. THE REALITY IS SOME PEOPLE’s PARENTS CAN NOT AFFORD TO SEND THEM TO A UNIVERSITY. I DO NOT THINK a person should dumb down their intellect and attend a community college(where they won’t be as challneged academically) just because their parents can’t afford to send them to university like msu. THATS WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT? PULLING YOURSELF UP AND MAKING IT. SO THATS WHAT I DID. The fact that my parents can’t help me with school is something i wasn’t goign to let stop me.I wasn’t going to go to a freakin community college when i know I would be challenged more here at msu. I can’t believe a dummy would suggest that. I WORK HARD AND HAVE A BRIDGE CARD..SO IF YOU THINK LESS OF ME THATS YOU BEING DUMB!! I happen to know mr white and he works similar hours at the physical plant like i do. Im glad that some of you never had to get a bridge card, but don’t think just cause you didn’t have to others are in the same shape. PEACE Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:46:30 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22988 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22990 Erin, To your comment: The fraction of what you pay that you are whining about is so small. First, I just graduated from MSU last spring and make about $42,000 a year. Of that, the government takes out about $11,000. That means I’m making only about $31,000 and still have to pay for all of my own living expenses. So please forgive me and the others when there are blatant violations of otherwise worthy programs intended to help people who are truly in need. I however, don’t want to become one of those people who are truly in need because the government is taking my money and redistributing it to people who are undeserving. The taxes that I pay shouldn’t be a blank check to people who are unwilling to make reasonable sacrifices. Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:37:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22990 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22997 “That means I’m making only about $31,000 “ ONLY $31,000 AFTER taxes right out of college! My god how do you survive? Cause lord knows you are totally the poorest person ever! And I totally did not grow up in a single parent home that made significantly less than that or anything. I feel soo sorry for you making ONLY $42,000 right out of college! Oh, and learn to read, you pay no where near $11,000 a year to the bridge card program. The bridge card program makes up a very small percentage of federal tax spending. And if your take home pay a year is $31,000 from $42,000 before anything is taken out, $11,00 isn’t even what you are paying in federal taxes. If that is your take home pay, that means you’ve lumped together federal taxes, state taxes, possibly city taxes, social security (social security does not come from general taxes), and my last pay stub also has medicare seperate from the other tax categories. So to review- you do not pay $11,000 a year in federal taxes. And then once you shrink that down to what is actually federal taxes, the bridge card program will be a very tiny fraction of that. If you are soo pissed of about having such a measly take home pay as ONLY $31,000 right out of college, and having $11,000 taken out of your pay over the course of a year, maybe it’d be worth it to see where that money is actually going to. Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:14:01 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/22997 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/23048 Let’s just ponder a few things about what’s in the best interest of all in this state and nation. In 2006, the U.S. had 1.3 million college grads. Impressive? China 3.3 million, India 3.1 million. The U.S. was not even in the top 10. Michigan ranks 37th in the nation with college grads, yet has the 9th largest population. World and national economy is changing. Manufacturing to Information to a present Knowledge economy which started in 2005. We all know what is happening with tuition with an average yearly increase of over 7% since 2001. Do we really want to make it more difficult to send more to college at a more affordable price. Is that really in our best interest to sit here and complain that those who are in college are getting a few breaks. Many that have went to college received some assistance through loans, grants or scholarships. Think that there were no taxpayer money that went into those? If anything, let’s make college as affordable as possible as we need as many educated Americans as we can possibly produce. Just a couple things to close with. The 25% of the population in China with the Highest IQ is greater than the population of North America. India and China have more honors students than we have students. Education is key from rising from poverty, do we really want to limit ourselves and nation with thinking that some program that makes college easier is something we need concern ourselves with in the big picture. Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:07:58 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/23048 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/23058 Fredrik You and the other scum like you are the reason this nation is BROKE! Go to Pete G. Peterson Foundation, I.O.U.S.A., Ross Perot Charts, and Truth in 2008 to name a name a few. We are over $56 trillion, 895 billion, 200 million in debt. Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:09:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/23058 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/23653 It really bothers me that the conservative viewpoints in this forum degrade the choice of higher education. Please realize that a better educated workforce is more productive and a more productive workforce increases incomes, thus bringing in more tax receipts. Now, a policy that helps increase the education of the work force is, by long-term thinking, good. So a food stamp program that helps students in this way is beneficial. But, conservatives love to bring out the minority reports. They will say that a certain percentage of these recipients are wealthy, lazy, etc. and don’t deserve it and are in fact ripping off the system. Thus, negating the overall positive outcome of this policy. Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:28:27 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/23653