YAF not 'good candidates' for campus night patrol
(Last updated: 10/13/08 7:09pm)I read in the Lansing State Journal that MSU’s chapter of Young Americans for Freedom, or YAF, is planning to organize night patrols on campus to deter rape and violent crime. I would normally applaud students for such initiative, but I don’t think YAF members are good candidates for the job.
YAF has constantly proven incapable of the respect and fair-mindedness needed to effectively police a diverse campus such as MSU. YAF’s communication director, Kyle Bristow, has said he hates diversity, and hardly a week goes by on YAF’s blog, the Spartan Spectator, when he isn’t proving it.
Usually he’s bashing leftists, whom he says should be deported and/or executed, and homosexuals, whom he calls “degenerates.” He constantly vilifies Muslims, whom he says are following a “heresy” he thinks has no place at MSU. He also has recently targeted Jews as “penny-pinching, big-nosed Zionists,” and a threat to “Western culture.”
If all that isn’t bad enough, the Council of Conservative Citizens, an organization that opposes “mixture of the races,” recently declared the Spartan Spectator an excellent “pro-White” blog. MSU-YAF congratulated itself for that. One has to wonder, then, if all students are going to be equally protected by their patrols, regardless of their race.
YAF has the right to organize and participate on campus — same as any other official student organization.
But if I were a student I’d be wary of looking to them for extra safety at night. I might actually look for safety from them.
Jim Tremlett
Lansing resident
Originally Published: 10/13/08 7:01pm
George
10/13/08 8:29pmWell, now we know J. Edward Tremlett’s real name! Also, you’re right. Count on a hate group to protect campus? Something doesn’t make sense here.
SLWS
10/13/08 8:50pmTypical liberal/communist/socialist attack. Just like the protestors at Chris Simcox speech
Jason Van Dyke
10/13/08 9:54pmThanks for the free publicity. SLWS!
J. Edward Tremlett
10/13/08 10:46pm“Typical liberal/communist/socialist attack”
Yeah, except I hate commies, and I have footnotes.
First off: the line should be “Usually heâs bashing leftists, whom he intimates should be deported and/or executed…” I don’t recall seeing Kyle say they should, but he sure makes some big hints, hence “intimates.” Of course they’d change that to “says,” probably because most people think intimates is lingerie.
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Bystander.
10/13/08 10:51pmIt’s not liberal/communist/socialist attack. It’s a well-spoken response that you cannot deny, SLWS. YAF does not inspire to respect and befriend racial, social and religious differences, but instead they only make the problem worse by bashing and protesting. Just what America Needs right now, right? What is pretty hilarious is looking at their website photographs. They’d be like a group of sixth graders showering with the varsity out on that campus!
Bystander.
10/13/08 10:53pmWell said J. Edward. Nail on the coffin.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/13/08 10:56pmLeftists:
Thereâs several examples, but hereâs a prototypical one
âAugusto Pinochet would have known what to do in order to deal with these leftist college students. I have a feeling that the plan would involve soccer.â
(âSoccerâ then links to a post about how Pinochet killed dissidents at Chileâs National Stadium)
There was also this amusing poll here
How Can We Save the West?
âDeport or jail all the liberal trolls – 9 votes (20%)
Force liberals to undergo reeducation – 1 vote (2%)
Perform lobotomies on liberals, then deport them – 4 votes (9%)
Have a coup like Franco – 18 votes (41%)
Oswald Spengler was right: The West is doomed – 11 votes (25%)
Those who voted to “have a coup like Franco” won.
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Mike
10/14/08 8:01amI often wonder why Jason Van Dyke cares about what happens at MSU. Jason dropped out of MSU in the late 90’s and moved to Texas. He apparently graduated from a college down there as well as law school. He’s a Texas lawyer and I have to wonder why a Texas lawyer would not only care about what happens at MSU but I also have to wonder how it is a lawyer has so much time to play around on the State News web site. So I ask you Jason, why do you care so much about the school you dropped out of?
MSUAlum2001
10/14/08 8:39amMike, from what I read, he’s still pissed that he got in trouble over carrying a rifle across campus during hunting season. And because of this, he’s convincing all these kids in YAF to create as much controversy on campus as possible in the hopes that another campus group or the administration itself attempts to shut the group down. That way he can get his revenge by suing the university.
While JVD may deny this, if you’re a long time follower of his posts on topics like this, you can see he’s practically chomping at the bit looking for a way to sue the university. (Well maybe not him personally, but a well funded right wing group with better lawyers.)
beau
10/14/08 9:30amIs there a policy at MSU regading use of vigilante groups like what YAF is proposing in their “patrols?” Sounds more like brownshirts looking to cause trouble then a student group trying to ensure safety. Sort of like the Hitler Youth claiming to be protecting Jewish business interests.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 10:08amBeau: I don’t know that there is. According to the article at the LSJ they seemed to be taking a ‘hands off’ approach.
MSU police spokesperson Sgt. Florene McGlothian-Taylor said her concern was YAF not try to confront criminals directly.
“The thing we don’t want to get into is individuals taking various situations into their own hands,” she said.
Also of interest in the article – there has not been a “rise in crimes of a sexual nature” at MSU, as MSU YAF claims, and the last time a rape occurred along the so-called “rape trail” was three decades ago.
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Benjy Compson
10/14/08 10:25amSLWS,
I never knew how good a singer Chris Simcox is. Well done.
SAH
10/14/08 1:11pmYAF is just trying to be like the militia men down in AZ and TX. JVD probably gave them the idea. Why doesn’t YAF just move down to Texas and go nuts, they’ll fit in better down there.
TAFKA SLWS
10/14/08 1:14pmGood work, Mr. Compson. It’s funny how many links Mr. Tremlett tossed out to support his argument, considering he apparently didn’t have the decency to follow my link.
My original post was a test. It was obviously a joke, and the only people who wouldn’t realize that are those so arrogant, presumptuous and certain that they would argue against someone without fully considering their views. Good work Tremlett & bystander. You have shown you are no better than the fools in MSU-YAF.
Artemis
10/14/08 1:15pmI Agree
TAFKA SLWS
10/14/08 1:16pmI should also include Mr. Van Dyke in my assessment of arrogance and presumption.
Artemis
10/14/08 1:18pmugh, wrong link above
here
Todd
10/14/08 1:37pmMr. Tremlett,
Let me see if I understand you. YAF has proposed organizing night patrols on campus to deter rape and violent crime. You think that’s a bad idea because you claim YAF is incapable of respect and fair-mindedness.
What group, exactly, do you have in mind that should organize night patrols that will calm your fears by providing respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime?
TL
10/14/08 1:49pmI hope this plan doesn’t go through, ‘cause there’s only one thing that will come out of it — a bunch of skinhead boys getting pummeled by some “suspicious” football players walking back to the dorms after a night at the bars.
hmmm...
10/14/08 2:50pmWhat group, exactly, do you have in mind that should organize night patrols that will calm your fears by providing respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime?
gee, i dunno…maybe the police? campus security?
Todd
10/14/08 3:02pm“hmmmm…”
So how, exactly, would they apply respect and fair-mindedness to would-be rapists and violent criminals? Only arrest half of them?
Bystander.
10/14/08 3:03pmSLWS, I am now dying in laughter. Damnit. In all honesty, I saw the first four things you had listed, and went right to typing. Nicely done, brother.
Bystander.
10/14/08 3:05pmAlso, Todd. They’re called Law Enforcement.
Todd
10/14/08 3:32pmBystander,
So that means they’ve reduced the rape and violent crime rate to zero, right?
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 3:38pm“Itâs funny how many links Mr. Tremlett tossed out to support his argument, considering he apparently didnât have the decency to follow my link.”
I wasn’t tossing out links to support my argument in opposition to what you posted. I had the list ready to go, ahead of time, as I expected YAF’s amen corner to drop in and accuse me of taking quotes out of context, and wanted to have the proof all ready to go.
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Linda
10/14/08 3:43pmI think the concern for respect and fairmindedness was for the potential victims of crimes, not the perpetrators. For example, would YAF help stop a crime being committed against a non-white or muslim person?
TAFKA SLWS
10/14/08 3:52pm“Given that you have arrogantly and presumptuously assumed that my post was in response to yours, when in fact it really wasn’t…”
When the beginning of your comment is quoting someone and responding to the quote, it is safe to assume that your comment is a response to that person. I made you look bad. Get over it and don’t be so bitter. At least Bystander can take a joke.
Todd
10/14/08 3:52pmLinda,
You must be referring to Mr. Tremlett’s comment about equal protection “regardless of their race.” I always thought there was only one race – human. I guess some on the left see things differently.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 3:53pm“What group, exactly, do you have in mind that should organize night patrols that will calm your fears by providing respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime?”
Todd, if there was a prize for just not getting the point, you’d be taking first in show.
The point is not about having “respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime.” The point is about having the respect and fair-mindedness to consider all possible perpetrators equally, and not have a tendency to suspect some groups more than others.
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Todd
10/14/08 3:57pmMr. Tremlett,
I must humbly submit that my knowledge of prejudice falls far short of your expertise.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 3:59pm“When the beginning of your comment is quoting someone and responding to the quote, it is safe to assume that your comment is a response to that person.”
Oh… kind of like it was safe to assume that anyone who calls themselves SLWS, posts “Typical liberal/communist/socialist attack” and provides a link to what’s claimed to be a Chris Simcox speech is actually part of YAF’s amen corner, and not someone conducting independent sociological research? ; )
The only one who looks bad here is you, TAFKA SLWS. Next time, have better jokes!
btw: where IS the normal amen corner? All we have is JVD (and maybe Todd, unless he’s just trolling).
Weird.
Todd
10/14/08 4:07pmNicely played. Game, set, match to SLWS.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 4:34pmOnly if the winner wins by losing ; )
Tim
10/14/08 5:08pmI thought the whole rick rolled thing was to get someone to unwittingly link to that video, which J. Edward didn’t do. As for it showing J. Edward is arrogant etc., I don’t see how it does that either.
...He still responded to the commie nonesense that was spewed and there isn’t a link in the world that would show YAF to be a helpful group of students that I would want patroling the campus.
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student
10/14/08 9:38pmYAF IS THE MOST HORRENDOUS AND INHUMANE ORGANIZATION ON CAMPUS.
IT IS LIKE IF THEY LIVED IN A BUBBLE.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 11:30pmAnd Kyle Bristow has responded
I am going to come out of the closet: I am an evil, right-wing, fascist, liberal-hating Republican who froths at the mouth with hate every minute of the day, and I cannot help it, for I was born this way.
YAF WATCH 2.0
10/14/08 11:52pmDollars to doughnuts says the YAFers go on patrol in Bundeswehr boots, cargo pants, tan oxford shirts, any maybe some sort of flashy arm band. I hope they pick a kicky nickname, as well. I, for one, vote for Buchananjugend! Its adorable!
Calling Bristow Out
10/16/08 12:04amYou’re such a little dingus, Bristow. I now see your affinity for O’Reilly. He, too, refuses to argue if its not on his turf or his terms. There is, however, one significant difference between the two of you. O’Reilly is the leader of a conservative circus for profit, but you actually believe the anachronistic drivel you spew.
Way to idolize brutal dictators, by the way.
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