YAF not 'good candidates' for campus night patrol
I read in the Lansing State Journal that MSU’s chapter of Young Americans for Freedom, or YAF, is planning to organize night patrols on campus to deter rape and violent crime. I would normally applaud students for such initiative, but I don’t think YAF members are good candidates for the job.
YAF has constantly proven incapable of the respect and fair-mindedness needed to effectively police a diverse campus such as MSU. YAF’s communication director, Kyle Bristow, has said he hates diversity, and hardly a week goes by on YAF’s blog, the Spartan Spectator, when he isn’t proving it.
Usually he’s bashing leftists, whom he says should be deported and/or executed, and homosexuals, whom he calls “degenerates.” He constantly vilifies Muslims, whom he says are following a “heresy” he thinks has no place at MSU. He also has recently targeted Jews as “penny-pinching, big-nosed Zionists,” and a threat to “Western culture.”
If all that isn’t bad enough, the Council of Conservative Citizens, an organization that opposes “mixture of the races,” recently declared the Spartan Spectator an excellent “pro-White” blog. MSU-YAF congratulated itself for that. One has to wonder, then, if all students are going to be equally protected by their patrols, regardless of their race.
YAF has the right to organize and participate on campus — same as any other official student organization.
But if I were a student I’d be wary of looking to them for extra safety at night. I might actually look for safety from them.
Jim Tremlett
Lansing resident
Published on Monday, October 13, 2008
Comments
George
10/13/08 @ 8:29pm
Well, now we know J. Edward Tremlett’s real name! Also, you’re right. Count on a hate group to protect campus? Something doesn’t make sense here.
SLWS
10/13/08 @ 8:50pm
Typical liberal/communist/socialist attack. Just like the protestors at Chris Simcox speech
Jason Van Dyke
10/13/08 @ 9:54pm
Thanks for the free publicity. SLWS!
J. Edward Tremlett
10/13/08 @ 10:46pm
“Typical liberal/communist/socialist attack”
Yeah, except I hate commies, and I have footnotes.
First off: the line should be “Usually he’s bashing leftists, whom he intimates should be deported and/or executed…” I don’t recall seeing Kyle say they should, but he sure makes some big hints, hence “intimates.” Of course they’d change that to “says,” probably because most people think intimates is lingerie.
Hates diversity
“Let me get this straight (no pun intended): You think that I am a closeted homo, because I think homosexuality is perverse? By your logic, I must be a liberal at heart, because I think liberalism is a perversity. I must also be a secret fan of diversity and multiculturalism, because I hate both diversity and multiculturalism.”
Bystander.
10/13/08 @ 10:51pm
It’s not liberal/communist/socialist attack. It’s a well-spoken response that you cannot deny, SLWS. YAF does not inspire to respect and befriend racial, social and religious differences, but instead they only make the problem worse by bashing and protesting. Just what America Needs right now, right? What is pretty hilarious is looking at their website photographs. They’d be like a group of sixth graders showering with the varsity out on that campus!
Bystander.
10/13/08 @ 10:53pm
Well said J. Edward. Nail on the coffin.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/13/08 @ 10:56pm
Leftists:
There’s several examples, but here’s a prototypical one
“Augusto Pinochet would have known what to do in order to deal with these leftist college students. I have a feeling that the plan would involve soccer.”
(‘Soccer’ then links to a post about how Pinochet killed dissidents at Chile’s National Stadium)
There was also this amusing poll here
How Can We Save the West?
”Deport or jail all the liberal trolls – 9 votes (20%)
Force liberals to undergo reeducation – 1 vote (2%)
Perform lobotomies on liberals, then deport them – 4 votes (9%)
Have a coup like Franco – 18 votes (41%)
Oswald Spengler was right: The West is doomed – 11 votes (25%)
Those who voted to “have a coup like Franco” won. When the coup is organized, let me know so that we can coordinate actions via this blog.”
Homosexuals:
Take your pick, but this is the saddest one
Read the sad story, and then scroll down and look at Kyle’s comment.
“What a freak he/she/it was.
Tell me, did this thing visit rest stop bathrooms, too? Was it HIV positive?”
Muslims
“Just for the record, I do not think that Islam should be allowed at an “academic institution of learning and enlightenment.” Over the last 1,300 years, what has Islam contributed to the world except for slavery, war, terrorism, and oppression? I do not apologize for not approving of a heresy.”
Jews
And here’s Bristow’s sorry attempt to claim he wasn’t Jew-bashing on the poll
Council of Conservative Citizens and the pro-white blog
“Spartan Spectator [Hooray!]”
Here’s another
(Note that our friend Jason Van Dyke congratulates them in that post)
And here’s a really sad thing: speaking of protecting women from assault. He actually went on the warpath against some student (MSU, I think) because she stated she didn’t like MSU YAF on her facebook profile. He did a total hatchet job on her, which you can read here
So here’s the question that all that raises: can gay, muslim, jewish, non-white and leftist students be told, with a straight face, that any night patrols organized by YAF are going to be for their benefit as well? Or should they be worried that they’re going to be either left to their own fates, or hassled by their “protectors.” And should groups of those students be worried that they’ll have the campus cops called on them because they looked suspicious?
I have my own answers to those questions, based on what I’ve found above. And that’s why I don’t think MSU YAF are the right people to be organizing safety patrols. I’m sure Kyle will have something to say in response to that, of course.
And you’re very welcome for the free publicity, JVD. When should I expect a cease and desist order? Or are you incapable of suing more than one critic at once?
Mike
10/14/08 @ 8:01am
I often wonder why Jason Van Dyke cares about what happens at MSU. Jason dropped out of MSU in the late 90’s and moved to Texas. He apparently graduated from a college down there as well as law school. He’s a Texas lawyer and I have to wonder why a Texas lawyer would not only care about what happens at MSU but I also have to wonder how it is a lawyer has so much time to play around on the State News web site. So I ask you Jason, why do you care so much about the school you dropped out of?
MSUAlum2001
10/14/08 @ 8:39am
Mike, from what I read, he’s still pissed that he got in trouble over carrying a rifle across campus during hunting season. And because of this, he’s convincing all these kids in YAF to create as much controversy on campus as possible in the hopes that another campus group or the administration itself attempts to shut the group down. That way he can get his revenge by suing the university.
While JVD may deny this, if you’re a long time follower of his posts on topics like this, you can see he’s practically chomping at the bit looking for a way to sue the university. (Well maybe not him personally, but a well funded right wing group with better lawyers.)
beau
10/14/08 @ 9:30am
Is there a policy at MSU regading use of vigilante groups like what YAF is proposing in their “patrols?” Sounds more like brownshirts looking to cause trouble then a student group trying to ensure safety. Sort of like the Hitler Youth claiming to be protecting Jewish business interests.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 @ 10:08am
Beau: I don’t know that there is. According to the article at the LSJ they seemed to be taking a ‘hands off’ approach.
MSU police spokesperson Sgt. Florene McGlothian-Taylor said her concern was YAF not try to confront criminals directly.
“The thing we don’t want to get into is individuals taking various situations into their own hands,” she said.
Also of interest in the article – there has not been a “rise in crimes of a sexual nature” at MSU, as MSU YAF claims, and the last time a rape occurred along the so-called “rape trail” was three decades ago.
But you know… any excuse for a night on the town. At least they’ll have t-shirts made up so you’ll know who to avoid.
Benjy Compson
10/14/08 @ 10:25am
SLWS,
I never knew how good a singer Chris Simcox is. Well done.
SAH
10/14/08 @ 1:11pm
YAF is just trying to be like the militia men down in AZ and TX. JVD probably gave them the idea. Why doesn’t YAF just move down to Texas and go nuts, they’ll fit in better down there.
TAFKA SLWS
10/14/08 @ 1:14pm
Good work, Mr. Compson. It’s funny how many links Mr. Tremlett tossed out to support his argument, considering he apparently didn’t have the decency to follow my link.
My original post was a test. It was obviously a joke, and the only people who wouldn’t realize that are those so arrogant, presumptuous and certain that they would argue against someone without fully considering their views. Good work Tremlett & bystander. You have shown you are no better than the fools in MSU-YAF.
Artemis
10/14/08 @ 1:15pm
I Agree
TAFKA SLWS
10/14/08 @ 1:16pm
I should also include Mr. Van Dyke in my assessment of arrogance and presumption.
Artemis
10/14/08 @ 1:18pm
ugh, wrong link above
here
Todd
10/14/08 @ 1:37pm
Mr. Tremlett,
Let me see if I understand you. YAF has proposed organizing night patrols on campus to deter rape and violent crime. You think that’s a bad idea because you claim YAF is incapable of respect and fair-mindedness.
What group, exactly, do you have in mind that should organize night patrols that will calm your fears by providing respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime?
TL
10/14/08 @ 1:49pm
I hope this plan doesn’t go through, ‘cause there’s only one thing that will come out of it — a bunch of skinhead boys getting pummeled by some “suspicious” football players walking back to the dorms after a night at the bars.
hmmm...
10/14/08 @ 2:50pm
What group, exactly, do you have in mind that should organize night patrols that will calm your fears by providing respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime?
gee, i dunno…maybe the police? campus security?
Todd
10/14/08 @ 3:02pm
“hmmmm…”
So how, exactly, would they apply respect and fair-mindedness to would-be rapists and violent criminals? Only arrest half of them?
Bystander.
10/14/08 @ 3:03pm
SLWS, I am now dying in laughter. Damnit. In all honesty, I saw the first four things you had listed, and went right to typing. Nicely done, brother.
Bystander.
10/14/08 @ 3:05pm
Also, Todd. They’re called Law Enforcement.
Todd
10/14/08 @ 3:32pm
Bystander,
So that means they’ve reduced the rape and violent crime rate to zero, right?
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 @ 3:38pm
“It’s funny how many links Mr. Tremlett tossed out to support his argument, considering he apparently didn’t have the decency to follow my link.”
I wasn’t tossing out links to support my argument in opposition to what you posted. I had the list ready to go, ahead of time, as I expected YAF’s amen corner to drop in and accuse me of taking quotes out of context, and wanted to have the proof all ready to go. In fact, I sent the list to the op-ed editors when they called in case they needed to do some fact-checking, given the serious accusations I made in the letter.
Now, I DID use your comment to segue into those links, yes. But that’s as far as your silly little “test” motivated anything in that post.
“My original post was a test. It was obviously a joke, and the only people who wouldn’t realize that are those so arrogant, presumptuous and certain that they would argue against someone without fully considering their views.”
Given that you have arrogantly and presumptuously assumed that my post was in response to yours, when in fact it really wasn’t, I don’t think you have any reason to declare anyone a fool.
And I’d rather be a fool than someone like Kyle Bristow or his supporters, thank you very much.
Linda
10/14/08 @ 3:43pm
I think the concern for respect and fairmindedness was for the potential victims of crimes, not the perpetrators. For example, would YAF help stop a crime being committed against a non-white or muslim person?
TAFKA SLWS
10/14/08 @ 3:52pm
“Given that you have arrogantly and presumptuously assumed that my post was in response to yours, when in fact it really wasn’t…”
When the beginning of your comment is quoting someone and responding to the quote, it is safe to assume that your comment is a response to that person. I made you look bad. Get over it and don’t be so bitter. At least Bystander can take a joke.
Todd
10/14/08 @ 3:52pm
Linda,
You must be referring to Mr. Tremlett’s comment about equal protection “regardless of their race.” I always thought there was only one race – human. I guess some on the left see things differently.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 @ 3:53pm
“What group, exactly, do you have in mind that should organize night patrols that will calm your fears by providing respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime?”
Todd, if there was a prize for just not getting the point, you’d be taking first in show.
The point is not about having “respect and fair-mindedness to those who would commit rape and violent crime.” The point is about having the respect and fair-mindedness to consider all possible perpetrators equally, and not have a tendency to suspect some groups more than others. In other words, to not let one’s prejudices take hold of the decision making. And since MSU YAF has illustrated a number of very disturbing prejudices, they are, in my view, not well-suited for the job.
“So that means they’ve reduced the rape and violent crime rate to zero, right?”
You will never ever reduce the rape and violent crime rate to zero. However, as I said earlier, MSU YAF is incorrect when they claim that the rates are rising. They’ve actually been in decline for some time.
Todd
10/14/08 @ 3:57pm
Mr. Tremlett,
I must humbly submit that my knowledge of prejudice falls far short of your expertise.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 @ 3:59pm
“When the beginning of your comment is quoting someone and responding to the quote, it is safe to assume that your comment is a response to that person.”
Oh… kind of like it was safe to assume that anyone who calls themselves SLWS, posts “Typical liberal/communist/socialist attack” and provides a link to what’s claimed to be a Chris Simcox speech is actually part of YAF’s amen corner, and not someone conducting independent sociological research? ; )
The only one who looks bad here is you, TAFKA SLWS. Next time, have better jokes!
btw: where IS the normal amen corner? All we have is JVD (and maybe Todd, unless he’s just trolling).
Weird.
Todd
10/14/08 @ 4:07pm
Nicely played. Game, set, match to SLWS.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 @ 4:34pm
Only if the winner wins by losing ; )
Tim
10/14/08 @ 5:08pm
I thought the whole rick rolled thing was to get someone to unwittingly link to that video, which J. Edward didn’t do. As for it showing J. Edward is arrogant etc., I don’t see how it does that either.
He still responded to the commie nonesense that was spewed and there isn’t a link in the world that would show YAF to be a helpful group of students that I would want patroling the campus.
I wouldn’t worry about Todd declaring someone the winner of something given his idiotic posts.
Todd the concern is that YAF would be about a billion times more likely to report suspicious activity of non-white males or ignore the distress of another minority. They call hispanics savages. Yet, we should in some way expect them to rush to a Hispanic girls rescue if she was being raped?
student
10/14/08 @ 9:38pm
YAF IS THE MOST HORRENDOUS AND INHUMANE ORGANIZATION ON CAMPUS.
IT IS LIKE IF THEY LIVED IN A BUBBLE.
J. Edward Tremlett
10/14/08 @ 11:30pm
And Kyle Bristow has responded
I am going to come out of the closet: I am an evil, right-wing, fascist, liberal-hating Republican who froths at the mouth with hate every minute of the day, and I cannot help it, for I was born this way.
YAF WATCH 2.0
10/14/08 @ 11:52pm
Dollars to doughnuts says the YAFers go on patrol in Bundeswehr boots, cargo pants, tan oxford shirts, any maybe some sort of flashy arm band. I hope they pick a kicky nickname, as well. I, for one, vote for Buchananjugend! Its adorable!
Calling Bristow Out
10/16/08 @ 12:04am
You’re such a little dingus, Bristow. I now see your affinity for O’Reilly. He, too, refuses to argue if its not on his turf or his terms. There is, however, one significant difference between the two of you. O’Reilly is the leader of a conservative circus for profit, but you actually believe the anachronistic drivel you spew.
Way to idolize brutal dictators, by the way. I’m certain Pinochet would’ve loved to sit for tea with you and Pol Pot. You’d have the opportunity to orchestrate some pretty sweet travesties against mankind in a second- or third-world hole like Chile or Cambodia (Kampuchea). But here in America, your words will never be viewed by society at large as prophetic. You (and I JVD) will always be written off as some supremacist douchebag child of privelege who got through a second-rate, southern evangelical law school (pop quiz: name all the justices with JDs from Regent University School of Law who have sat on the U.S. Supreme Court. To be fair, though, Regent did produce Monica Goodling, who fought your same good fight, and look where it got her) based solely on your ability to write a tuition check. You’re political clout will amount roughly to that of David Duke. Have fun preaching to the choir of againg supremacist skinheads in the sticks of Montana, about how they need to protect themselves against a non-existant tide of armed minorities who would never set foot on the backwaters of the Bad Lands to begin with. If you’re really lucky, you’ll get to testify to a grand jury as to what role you played in creating the doctrine of anti-(fill in the blank: semitism, ziganism, integration, etc) that was adopted by a right-wing group which committed an act of domestic terrorism in your name. You could well be the muse for the next Timothy Mcveigh! Congratulations, jackass!
Ulitmately, as a Constitutional Libertarian, I respect your right to preach whatever you believe. I just like treating you like the asshole you are. Despite all your delusions of grandeur, you’ll never amount to squat, for so long as the Constituion remains the bible of our great nation, we, the protectors of civil liberties, will never acquiesce to an extremist scumbag like you. Deal with it.
PS – How are the deportations going? Do you have a solid number, or is “Catch An Immigrant” more of a theoretical thing? Don’t feel bad for not contributing to your own cause. Maybe you can make up for it by driving to Sault Ste. Marie and snare a Canuck border crosser. I hear they’re all socialists, which I know you think is much more dangerous than a Mexican.