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MSU's great debate

Students face off to share candidates' views for 2008 presidential election

By Kelly House Originally Published: 10/22/08 11:38pm Modified: 10/22/08 11:44pm 5 comments

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International relations senior and Students for Nader member Shane Dicks addresses issues about health care reform on a panel of eight students supporting presidential candidates Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Ralph Nader and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on Wednesday night at Wonders Hall Kiva. This was the first time a students-only debate about the presidential race was hosted on campus this year.


The presidential debates may be over, but if last night’s student debate was any indication, students are far from done arguing about the candidates’ platforms.

More than 60 students gathered in the Wonders Hall Kiva last night to hear representatives from three campus political groups defend their presidential candidates.

Debaters from MSU Democrats, MSU College Republicans and Students for Nader represented the views of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, Republican candidate John McCain and Natural Law Party candidate Ralph Nader. Audience members were treated to a mixture of politics, entertainment and a few laughs as the debaters traded viewpoints and the occasional jab at their opponents.

Most of the laughs were garnered by the Students for Nader representatives, who referred to Obama and McCain as “McBama,” saying their policies were too similar to tell apart.

“We’re looking at two wings of the American corporate government voting against the American people,” said Nader debater and international relations senior Shane Dicks.

The debate was moderated by James Madison College assistant professor Ben Kleinerman.

One of the most heated topics of discussion between the student Republicans and Democrats was how to fix America’s failing public schools.

The Republicans advocated more emphasis on reading, writing, math, merit-based pay for teachers and school of choice vouchers.

“They have to cut the fat, get better or get out,” said MSU College Republicans spokesman Louie Glinzak.

Obama supporters disagreed, saying vouchers are ineffective and slashing budgets will lead to more failure.

“All I heard from the McCain campaign is if it doesn’t work, just cut it,” MSU Democrats President Georg Schuttler said. “What are we gonna do? Just fire a bunch of teachers?”

International relations senior Alyssa Roland, who organized the event for the James Madison College Student Senate, said while the debate won’t have a significant effect on voters’ decisions Nov. 4, it helped get students involved in the political process.

“It’s just more easily digested,” she said. “If you don’t understand an issue, you can follow up with a question instead of listening to the debate from the actual presidential candidates (on TV).”

The teams spent the days before the debate preparing answers to a list of possible questions on the usual campaign season topics: the war in Iraq, the economy, the environment and education, among others. Most of their remarks were reiterations of statements the presidential candidates have made on the campaign trail, but there were a few gleams of improvisation.

After Kleinerman posed a question, the debaters were each given three minutes to respond, followed by a minute for rebuttal. During the final half hour, the format changed to a town hall discussion during which audience members posed questions.

Roland said the Student Senate, which has organized several on-campus debates this year, has seen an increase in student interest in politics this election season.

“There’s more of a drive for students to become involved in these campaigns,” she said. “The interest is there, and it’s going to keep growing.”

This was the first time a third party took part in the debates. Roland said she asked representatives from Students for Nader to participate after noticing a lack of exposure.

“We hardly ever hear from the third party,” she said. “It’s kind of depressing, so I wanted to include people representing (Nader’s) view to give the students a chance to hear that.”

And, some students felt, just having their voices heard made the Students for Nader the ultimate winners of the debate.

“I’m not saying that their ideas were any better or worse,” said journalism graduate student Clarence Ball. “But because they had the opportunity to really echo some of the sentiment of the Nader campaign that they simply would not have had a chance to do had there not been this forum.”

Regardless of political views, the debates offered students the chance to participate in democracy on a more interactive level, Kleinerman said.

“In some ways, they get to the issues more than the actual debates,” he said. “They take a little more time and (do) a little more research … it’s not so much gamesmanship.”


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Phil Letten
(10/23/08 12:48am)
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If only Nader were allowed in the real debates


Johnston
(10/23/08 9:54am)
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Nader… Lol.


Correction
(10/23/08 10:01am)
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“This was the first time a students-only debate about the presidential race was hosted on campus this year.” This was not the first student only debate hosted on campus this year, this was about the fifth one I have attended, this just happens to be the first one the State News decided to show up to!


Waverunnergirl
(10/26/08 5:56am)
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Imagine if the whole liquidity crisis now spilling onto Wall Street could have been prevented? Well, it almost was, by Senator McCain. Documented in the letter below, he was one of a group of Republican senators (Obama glaringly missing in action) who demanded reform of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and PREDICTED where we are now. There was some big money streaming in from Fannie Mae. Into whose pockets? Yes, you guessed it — Obama. No. 2 in Fannie Mae donations, an organization run by corrupt CEO Franklin Raines who left with his $20 million golden parachute while we’re all tangled in the remains. McCain not only has true GRIT, he actually GETS IT. If anyone can undo the mess, it’s him. By the way, it’s going to take GUTS to get this job done, not people who let themselves be bought.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=28973

Watch liberal Republican Chris Shays blast those who are getting money:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=184743

Who could make this crisis funny but Saturday Night Live? You can’t miss this!
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=184743


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(10/27/08 3:51pm)
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Here you go liberals read this.

Father-Daughter Talk
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend Audrey doing?”

She replied, “Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.”

Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.”

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!”

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the Republican party.”