City Center II petition comes up short
By Allison Bush (Last updated: 11/03/08 8:11pm)East Lansing residents who were petitioning for the right to vote on financing the public portion of the City Center II project through municipal bonds fell short of their goal by 98 percent, said Ted Staton, East Lansing city manager.
The public portion of the project will include the parking garage, and the selling of bonds is expected to be capped at $30 million. They are expected to be repaid by tax dollars the project generates and by revenue from the parking garage.
The signatures were due Monday, 45 days after the city issued an intent to bond notice in the Lansing State Journal. Ten percent of registered voters’ signatures were needed for the issue to be placed on a separate ballot. Only 88 valid signatures were on the petition, Staton said.
Originally Published: 11/03/08 7:38pm













Let 'em ruin EL
11/04/08 6:31amWow, 88 signatures. Even though so many people talk about how fed up with the city of East Lansing when it comes to poor development and bowing to developers needs… we see how much people in East Lansing really care about reigning in the city council. Great work citizens of EL. When the project turns out to be a bust and full of things no one needs, you only have yourself to blame.
Matt Hagan
11/04/08 8:27amThe majority of us collecting the signatures decided not to turn them in for fear of retribution by the city against those who signed. I alone have over 1200 in a folder sitting next to me and I’d say about 95% of people that I spoke with were in favor of our cause. It was disappointing to see the elected officials try and interfere with our efforts, but I guess they showed their true colors and proved they are afraid of giving people the right to vote on the largest project in EL history.
Hans Larsen
11/04/08 11:29amThere were more than enough signatures to force a vote; the petitions were never submitted to the City Clerk. Problematically, many of those who signed the petition expressed fear from retribution from government officials. Specifically, Mayor Loomis—in his State News column—used fear-mongering to intimidate people from signing the petition—by suggesting that the petition would somehow ruin future economic growth in East Lansing. Hans Larsen
Hans Larsen
11/04/08 12:12pmCity Manager Staton is not aware that there was a decision made to NOT SUBMIT the petitions with over 4,200 valid signatures, because many signers expressed fear of retribution and more attacks from City Government Officials.
The petition simply would have given the citizens the right to vote on funding the City Center II Project with $30 Million Dollars of taxpayer-backed bonds.
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Hans Larsen
11/04/08 2:36pmSince we are in the middle of a global financial crisis, it would have been prudent for City Council to let the citizens show their clear, informed support for the City Center II project. The citizens should have been allowed to vote on Election Day—to support the City Center II Project, by financing it with $30 Million Dollars of Taxpayer-backed bonds. It’s the largest development project in the history of East Lansing.
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How Sad
11/04/08 3:50pmWow, it is even more saddening to hear that people are not willing to stand up against the officials they elect. Vic Loomis doesn’t have the power to ruin anyone, the voters have the power — he knows that if he does not get votes next time he is done. So do the rest of them. It is a sad day when people are afraid to turn in petitions to exercise their democratic rights. Imagine where we would be if the colonists had been to afraid to lay their lives on the lines to stand up to Britain. East Lansing citizens are afraid to stand up to their own elected officials… how sad.
Come on now
11/04/08 5:38pmI like the tight fisted stalinesque operation that Vic Loomis and others have going on to crush the dissent. He is like a well seasoned surgeon removing the cancer of democracy that plagues this great city of ours. We must blindly follow, and finally put to rest this “archaic” sense of democratic input we as citizens believe we have. Premier Loomis must spill the blood of the detractors and place the severed heads of the treasoness diabolical unpatriotic spawns of satan at the entrances of the city limits to warn others that his authority will not be questioned, and to further entrench his stronghold as the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and without judgment supreme leader of all living and non living beings on this or any planet.
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Hans Larsen
11/04/08 9:12pmWe are not afraid to stand up to East Lansing government; many signers were legitimately concerned about retribution from City Officials for signing the petition.
The City Attorney made it perfectly clear that he would fight the petition—using taxpayer money to fight the voice of the people—to find any way possible to invalidate a basic petition. Ironically, his job is not to fight against the interest of the citizens.
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Fed-up citizen
11/06/08 7:35pmNot submitting the signatures had nothing to do with concerns about retribution by the city. We found that people who signed the petition signed enthusiastically in the hope of bringing this important question to the ballot.
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So basically—at least according to their buddy Cuddeback—Larsen and Hagen are defaming our elected officials and city staff.
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James Cuddeback (Public Response)
11/09/08 11:01amPosted in Public Response (http://publicresponse..com)
November 06, 2008
“For the record and accuracy of information, the bond referendum petition circulated recently in East Lansing had very strong support in the community but had honestly failed because of not having enough circulators. Because the petition drive had a time constraint and the total number of signatures fell short by about half, there was no productive reason to submit the petition signatures to the city clerk.
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