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Voters might ignore implications of Obama's tax plans because of his commanding stage presence

Originally Published: 11/03/08 7:38pm Modified: 11/03/08 7:51pm 12 comments

In the recent editorial endorsing Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (Obama right candidate to lead country in 2009, SN 10/29), the editors have fallen victim to the same empty rhetoric that has captured the nation.

Here we have a candidate that does a lot of talking, but when the “uh“s have been removed, doesn’t really say anything substantive, and yet people love him. Never mind that he offers nothing concrete except socialism; he speaks with such conviction that people are compelled to bow down before him.

The tax plan you espouse, where the rich should pay more, is in fact already in place. The rich already pay more than the middle class in taxes, both in quantity and percentage, but Obama wants more. He sets an arbitrary line above which one is classified “rich,” but an arbitrary line can be drawn anywhere with equal validity in the eyes of the one who draws it. This means the “rich” level could conveniently be lowered if Obama’s tax-and-spend government needs more money. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., said it best: “I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of this money.” Recover?

It’s dangerous when the government feels this entitled to citizens’ money. After all is said and done, the richest among us will be those who received Obama’s free handout checks for not working. But that’s not a handout. It’s a bribe for your vote.

Jason Smolinski

astrophysics graduate student


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Second the Motion
(11/03/08 8:39pm)
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It’s dangerous when the government feels this entitled to citizens’ money.

You have that right! The by the time they start believing that, politicians like this Barney Frank starting also believing they don’t answer to the people. A dangerous position indeed!


Tom W
(11/03/08 11:50pm)
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So what, we’re supposed to just keep running at a deficit and borrowing money from china to pay for our Wars & the Bailout while ignoring our energy independence, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools? (not even bringing health care into it)


Lysander Spooner
(11/04/08 12:06am)
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Tom W. I’m not the one who spent the money, nore do I approve of it being spent, so under what moral authority can I be expected to have to pay? The the proplems you list, and I agree they are proplems, they are all the governments fault, but their are going to force us at gun point to flip the tab.


MSU Alum
(11/04/08 5:39am)
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So the better option is to elect McCain and have 4 (+?) more years of failed policies? Continuing No Child Left Behind, the worst educational policy ever implemented. Not implementing some government regulation of markets. Continuing our energy dependence and having staggering amounts of citizens with no health care which is a twofold problem possibly spreading disease through their lack of treatment or consistently being treated in the emergency room and passing on their inability to pay to the rest of us. But you’re right…Obama is dangerous….

Education graduate student


Jason
(11/04/08 8:20am)
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I didn’t think there was anything particularly arbitrary about where Obama’s tax increases will go. I thought the the top 10-5% will not get an increase while the top 5% will get a tax increase. There isn’t anything arbitrary about that beause it was the top 10% that benefited from the Bush Tax cuts, while the average income bottom 90% actually decreased.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not getting a free handout from Obama. I work hard everyday and pay a wide range of taxes.


Tim
(11/04/08 8:51am)
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the editors have fallen victim to the same empty rhetoric that has captured the nation.
If it’s empty rhetoric, we really don’t have much to worry about right?
Never mind that he offers nothing concrete except socialism

Wait a second, I thought he only offered up empty rhetoric. Now he offers something conrete? And that concrete something is socialism?


Joe
(11/04/08 9:34am)
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Tim,
Jason must work for the McCain campaign as he lacks a coherent message.


Tom W
(11/04/08 10:09am)
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As republicans were so apt to point out when Iraq was the central issue of the campaign, it doesn’t matter how we got here, what matters is how we get out. And blaming all of our country’s problems now on the “government” is a cop out. Like it our not, our country elected those politicians who are responsible for where we are today, and those Politicians are the only ones who can get us out.

But SOMEBODY has to pay for it. You don’t want to L Spooner? Go somewhere else w/your money, although you’d likely pay even higher taxes abroad


Second The Motion
(11/04/08 12:33pm)
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So what, we’re supposed to just keep running at a deficit and borrowing money from china to pay for our Wars & the Bailout while ignoring our energy independence, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools?

Tom, we can always balance the budget by making cuts or raising taxes. The overarching point I think Mr. Smolinski was not that you shouldn’t vote for Obama but that we need to hold our representative responsible for for they do. They represent us and as such we need to show our elected representatives that we want fiscally responsible decisions instead of pandering to the poor or the military or whatever group you can possibly think of.

So the better option is to elect McCain and have 4 (+?) more years of failed policies? Continuing No Child Left Behind, the worst educational policy ever implemented.

No Alum but you don’t have to vote for Obama either. Really the most powerful votes are those for the third parties. They rarely win large elections, but if there are enough votes for a particular third party or independent, the big boys start paying attention to certain issues.

And for the record I agree that No Child Left Behind is the worst educational policy ever.


Sam M
(11/04/08 3:04pm)
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My vote is for communism.


Tim
(11/04/08 3:21pm)
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Second- I don’t know how you could read that letter and think the point of it was anything other than to encourage people to not vote for Obama. The word responsibility doesn’t appear anywhere within the letter.


Second The Motion
(11/04/08 5:51pm)
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Okay Tim. Smolinski clearly doesn’t want you or anyone else to vote for Obama. I won’t dispute that. But I think the bigger message to take out of the letter is that we need to elect people to represent us that are fiscally responsible. In other words, those that make the hard choices that benefit the nation as a whole not some segment just because its the popular thing to do. That’s what I was getting at. Sorry for any confusion.