Student in Abbot Hall robbed by 2 men Saturday

What?!! That’s terrible! Did they steal the laptop after all? LOCK your doors everybody!

So I should be on the lookout for all tall men with white hoodies? Let’s drop the politically correct act for one second here. Were these guys white? Black? Hispanic? If you’re not giving a complete and accurate description, then why do it at all?

Ok, THERE NEEDS TO BE ELECTRONIC ID SWIPERS ON ALL THE DORMS….holden is experimenting with it right now, but at many major universities, dorm security is actually taken seriously. PUT ID SWIPES ON ALL THE DORMS 24/7.

i agree with mike. msu is way behind on having id swipers on the doors.

i do also hate how the state news will not publish the race of perpetrators

Andrew and PC Police, I absolutely agree. If they’re pulling guns on people and robbing at gunpoint they most definitely DO NOT need to be protected by some PC bullshit. Why the State News refuses to publish any further descriptions is beyond me. You’re not going to offend anyone by telling us that they’re Caucasian, African American, Hispanic, Asian or what have you. It’s not racial profiling or anything of the sort. Its information that could help capture these guys and protect others. If the State News can’t get its collective head out of its ass and see that is a real disservice to its readers and this university.

So, in the future we can expect the following paragraph: “The first suspect was wearing dark jeans, a black sweatshirt with white writing and a black hat. The second man had a medium build, was 6 feet 4 inches tall and wore a white hooded sweatshirt, police said.”

“The first suspect was wearing pants, a sweatshirt with writing and a hat. The second person was neither fat nor thin, was tallish and wore a sweatshirt, police said.”

Book’m Dano!

This isn’t the first article by Abby Lubbers that has shown irresponsible journalism. The State News should really think twice about her employment as a writer.

So the State News is not allowed to define suspects in racial terms, but it can by sex…?

I don’t see how you can defend saying, “A female person did not commit this crime, a male person did,” but you can’t say “A black person did not commit this crime, a white person did.”

Apparently, stereotyping by sex is cool, race is a no-no. Right……

he didn’t pull a gun on him, the victim thought that it was something like a gun, for all we know it could’ve been a banana.

1. Why the hell would they not tell us races so we can identify them in a potentially dangerous situation???

2. We need id entry to all dorms….There is one place Michigan has us beat.

that’s why you should always have a baseball bat in your dorm room or car. After all those reports about robberies, it’s time students took the matter in their own hands. I have a metal baseball bat in my car and if somebody tries some sh%t, I don’t need police to come to the rescue, I can do everything myself. Just get yourself a mini metal bat from sports store and keep it somewhere near your bed, there has been too many campus robbies in the past. One hit on the head, and you don’t need to file any kind of report, the guy will be in a hospital in 20 minutes and your stuff will be safe, and you won’t be charged with anything because you were protecting yourself.

“he didn’t pull a gun on him, the victim thought that it was something like a gun, for all we know it could’ve been a banana.”

Okay, Mr. Technicality are you going to tell me that this isn’t a serious allegation regardless of whether or not it was truly a gun?

“We need id entry to all dorms….There is one place Michigan has us beat.”

A lot of university have MSU beat on this one. Are ID scanners fool proof? No, students still leave doors open to let in friends from the outside world into buildings and such, but installing the things would be a step in the right direction in cutting down on petty theft in the dorms.

Having students swipe ids to get into a building won’t change the security. Most students prop doors open or will open it for people. Why waste millions for a system that students won’t use properly?

Since the State News won’t release the details, here they are:

The first guy (who was in the room first) was a black male.

The man who then entered (allegedly with a handgun) was described as Hispanic.

I can understand trying to mitigate racial stereotypes, but when armed robbery is involved it’s important to have (even a general) idea of who the thugs are when crime is generally low on campus.

wait a sec – the victim needs to go a set balls. he allowed these robbers to stay in the room and smoke a couple ciggs, after they were robbing him?!? why werent you yelling at the top of your lungs for help, or at the very least try to find some sort of object to hit, stab, these bastards… do something- go for their eyes or nuts..anything but sit there and be a victim. u didnt get robbed just of $20, but its almost like they took ur pride & self confidence. gosh i feel bad for you. would have been a much better story if u fought back…u know..one you could tell to the grandkids…

Why can’t the residential parts of a dorm be ID-access only?
I understand that some parts of most dorms have classrooms so they can’t be completely resident-only buildings, but at a minimum why can’t the actual hallways of dorm rooms by accessed only by a resident ID? It’d be easy to let a friend in if they want to visit, but it would make it more difficult for crimes like this to take place.

President Simon and Angela Brown (University Housing), listen up!
Cut the bureaucratic red tape and make our living spaces more secure! Install ID access only to the residential areas of dorms.

How about getting the ID scanners before this recession is over… because crime like this will likely increase as times get worse in the Lansing area.

Thugs will hop on the #1 bus and ride to campus and prey on those with the high disposable income and fancy toys: the MSU student body.

We should avoid placing blame on the victim, while at the same time knowing our rights regarding self-defense law in Michigan. Here’s the law:

MCL 780.972.

The use of deadly force requires the following:

The person asserting self defense is not committing a crime.
-Is in a place where they have a legal right to be
-Has a reasonable and honest belief that deadly force is necessary to prevent Imminent death, sexual assault, or great bodily injury.
-No duty to retreat

The use of non-deadly force requires the following:
-Not committing a crime
-Legal right to be in the place
-Use of force other than deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent use of force by another
-No duty to retreat
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So, if the suspect told the victim he had a gun self-defense is seemingly justified.

ID scanners are a joke! JUST LOCK YOU BEDROOM! also, these thieves and low lifes prey on the students in the dorms for a few reasons. Main reason is they know the kids do not have firearms in there dorm rooms. You need to protect yourself, good guys need guns if the bad guys have them.

wow, so victim let them sit and smoke cigarettes? what a loser, just grab a book or anything at all and hit those losers on the head, if you take one down, the other one will back out. Learn how to protect yourself, the mighty police won’t protect you.

thats what im saying…i wondering what they were talking about with him…“hey we gon smoke these cigs right quick…then take ur money and leave…so whats up? weather is nice today..how bout that football game” haha. i mean, there are all sorts of objects in a dorm room that could have been used to inflict deadly force on these bastards. i mean a bic pen to the juggular .. something other than sitting there…i mean the robbers chilled out and took thier sweet time..smoked some ciggs..wtf, most are in then out, as quick as possible…

Were there any other witnesses besides the victim? To be honest, there’s a lot of things about this story that don’t make a whole lot of sense.

All of you idiots criticizing the victim for not fighting back: HE SAID IT APPEARED THAT ONE OF THE ROBBERS HAD A GUN!!!! But no big deal right? A “real man” would just grab a book and hit them with it, right? Could you also use the book to STOP BULLETS!? Seriously, take five minutes to think before you criticize someone for not wanting to endanger their life.

Forget the lack of ID scanners on the doors… we don’t even have enough security cameras around campus to help us identify these guys. I might be mistaken, but I know at least in West Circle there’s only one security camera situated at the front door to each residence hall. We should at least get more cameras installed around campus before we start talking about ID scanners.

There is a reason that there is a big sticker above your door that says “Lock Your Door!”