Stereotypes about military do not apply to all members

Your attempts to reason with James Madison students are futile…believe me…I was one…

lol, 99% of the Greek community are great people? No, 99% of them are pampered rich kids who think they are better than the rest of us. Go fly a kite.

Anyone of even average intelligence will already know that not all military personel torture prisoners and those who don’t already know are unlikely to be swayed by this letter. So the letter, and this post, are really a waste of time.

College campus liberals and career academics, meaning professors, HATE the military and its members.

It stems from insecurity, jealousy and feeling threatened by something bigger, better and more honorable than they are.

They turn those insecure feelings of jealousy into hate, arrogance and smug/self-righteousness as a defense mech.

What can you do, it’s been like this forever. Luckily academia and college isnt the reality so who cares.

I love how a poster called “Objective Observer” starts the post with talking about “college campus liberals” and then proceeds to say that academics hate the military because they’re insecure. I’m sure the poster is a trained psychologist and has done years of research on the subject to arrive at that conclusion and is not talking out of their ass.

What a blowhard.

It just fascinates me how much people come up with nonsense out of nowhere and then actually believe it to be the cold, hard facts.

This just in!
Stereotypes about [any group] do no apply to all members.

99% of all letters to the editors use made up statistical percentages.

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Try not to lie when you think about this rhetorical question. Do you dislike military members and/or think they are just former gym class bullies, “conservatives”, “flag wavers”, or meatheads? I submit you that DO on both accounts and I sumbit you probably made similar comments to your friends while hanging out at a coffee shop or the Peanut Barrell, “man”. In your freetime, you probably say things like “play some tuuuuunes, man! TUUUUNES!” or even funnier the famous hippi “O-BA-MA!” chant.

To be honest, I have several friends from high school in the military. They were the typical screw-ups and the military did straighten them out a little (although one married a stripper, but that’s another story).

And I’m not sure where the hippie thing came from. Just because someone’s not a scary right-winger doesn’t mean that they have to be a scary left-winger.

Sorry, the torture is not an issue of “a few bad apples.” Rather, it is part of the institution that is the military. Those that carried out the torture were not acting on “sociopathic tendencies,” but were following orders from higher-ups who sanctioned these abhorrent actions.

So, while I’m sure that there are a lot of sick individuals in the military, it is the sickness of the institution itself that allowed the torture that has so disgraced our country.

water boarding and nudity is not torture.

water boarding, inter alia, is good.

it saved lives.

“Facts” – You wrote “water boarding is not torture.” That is wrong. It is torture, at least officially. Maybe you don’t watch/read the news. Better luck next time.

aaaaahhh no it’s not. it’s a matter of opinion. anyone who thinks water boarding is torture is a huge f*cking p*ussy, like Obama. and nobody should want to be like Obama. getting your figer nails ripped out or arm broken or balls lopped off is torture. all things, by the way, i support if it means getting the same great results water boarding produced.

fact: no terror on US soil since 9/11/2001
why: water boarding produced answers and answers produced thwarted attacks.

Oh yeah, “Facts,” I’m sure, since waterboarding is so very effective, they only needed to use it 180+ times against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (and who knows whom else). What a fantastic measure of “success.”

Further, I don’t care if torture of ANY kind yields ANY “positive results” (which are, by many accounts, very hard to prove anyway). AMERICA MUST NOT TORTURE. Torture is illegal, its results are unreliable, and its use makes Americans less safe. There is exactly ZERO reasonable justification for torture of any kind.

Torture does not produce good intelligence. Anything a person says under the duress of torture needs to be verified before it can even be considered actionable intelligence, because that person will say anything to make the pain or terror stop. It is a very basic self-preservation technique that you have very little control over, even with specialized training- your mind will tell you to say anything- do anything, to make it stop.

The Israeli’s know this, which is why they don’t use torture.

FACTS

your comments are very good….FOR ME TO POOP ON.

maybe you should read 1984 idiot.

Torture absolutely produces good intelligence. 3 terrorists were water boarded, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, may he burn in hell, who masterminded 9/11. Accurate information was obtained from these three animals that successfully thwarted a 9/11 style attack in Los Angeles and an attack on the Brooklyn bridge. If they were not water boarded, then these attacks would have been carried out and the blood would be on your hands for not allowing terrorist scum to have their heads dunked in water. Fucking pussies.

First I’d like to state that I am a James Madison alum and Bradley Gershel’s article is really misinformed. In addition, I’d like to make the point that blaming the military as an institution is completely unfair. If anyone wants to look for a good explanation of the situation and what can amplify it beyond simple “orders”, I suggest you do research on the psychological effects of being a prisoners/guards from the Stanford Prison Experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment).

Again I’d like to state that blaming the military as a whole is not fair or even a sane argument.

Unfortunately you lose all credibility when you start referring to our military and they’re great service in “national defense.” This kind of idealism about the military is what has allowed for all of our men and women in uniform to carry out Bush’s evil and illegal genocidal blood money agendas over seas.

I understand perfectly that the U.S. military has fought in the name of freedom in the past, in noble wars such as WWI and WWII. I also understand that currently the U.S.

To Well,

You lose all credibility when you fail to be able to know the difference between they’re and their. Perhaps you should spend some more time reading and working on your grammar than discussing “illegal genocidal money agendas.”

“The Israeli’s know this, which is why they don’t use torture.”

Hahaha. You really think that? Or could it be that the Israeli media has kept its mouth shut instead of blabbing to the world what is done behind closed doors to keep the country safe? Do you really think so little of the Israeli intelligence services that they can’t keep a secret from the rest of the world?

BTW, plurals do not contain apostrophes.

Gosh, I’d love to join the military but 1) I’m a woman and don’t want to be sexually assaulted by fellow servicemen, 2) I’m gay and not allowed to serve openly as such, and 3) I don’t believe in killing. Soon as the military takes care of these three little issues, I’m in!

Actually Zeke, plural possesive words do contain apostrophes. You may have been refering to something else, but you’re still wrong.

Zeke-
Yes, a shame that our press discloses information about illegal and immoral acts committed by those who represent our country. I much prefer our press was complicit with such activities so that we could trick people.
This may sound crazy, but maybe instead of being mad at the press, you should be mad at the inviduals who ordered and carried out these acts. If you think the acts were justified and necessary than why do you care if the whole world knows about it?

I understand the point you’re trying to make and your concern about the first point but question it from a statistical standpoint. I don’t know the statistics of it but what are your chances of being sexually assaulted in the military versus being sexually assaulted walking on campus at night, at a job, at a party or just in life itself? It would be interesting to see the statistics behind that.

PB message left, the very last one for 5-1-09, please read. I know that you are a good person, don’t try to hide it so much from the world. Bless you for all you did for me. Never to be heard from again. Thanks for putting up with me.

I couldn’t agree with the above posts anymore than if I wanted to. Brillant arguments…just brillant!

You’re right, there’s some chance that I could be assaulted or even raped just walking down the street. What concerns me even more about the military, though, is that there’s about a 1 in 3 chance of this happening, and a very strong chance of the military higher-ups turning a blind eye to it. Here’s one article about this issue (from last year):
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Yes, this could happen anywhere, but to think that a fellow servicemember could do this, and that the military itself doesn’t do more to prevent this and punish those who commit these crimes, is unfathomable.

To my second point, President Obama has vowed to repeal Section 654 of U.S.

Job well done CJ. Thanks for finding the writting on the blog, I mean wall, you know what I mean. THANK YOU! :) So Very Much!!!!

I find a possible ironic conundrum with the posts…

Follow the logic…

1. Women don’t join the military because they’re worried about sexual assault by their fellow service members.

2. Openly gay people serving in the military is allowed.

3. Men don’t want to serve in the military because they’re worried about being sexually assaulted by openly gay people serving in the military.

Let me make it clear that the only point I’m trying to make is it’s a sticky situation.

What makes you think anyone would want to rape you?? You probably look like a lumber jack with nail polish.

Dated 3-18-2009: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123140293

Here I can be found!

Statistics on Sexual Assaults:

Sexual Assaults (2007): 248,300 – http://www.rainn.org/statistics

Women in the military (9-30-2008): 205,396 – http://www.womensmemorial.org/PDFs/StatsonWIM.pdf

Any statistics majors out there?

But there is one brillant man out there, I can’t believe his mind!

How can one person be so much of so many things, if that makes any sense. Brillant writter, not fooled by the media and the Left and vocally not shy at all. I am facinated by these brillant blogs…

Thank you to all our men and women that serve our great country.

@ To: To All Wrong:

It’s clear you know nothing about rape or the reasons behind it, but it’s also obvious you know nothing about me. That’s cool, though, you keep fighting the good fight, there, bro.

thank you.

Now you keep on talking, never shut up. You have too much to say that people want to hear. A brillant mind and the written word have come to fascinate me like never before. It is a multidementional kind of thing. So many layers, one more interesting than the next. A woven pattern that keeps on going and that continues to catch my eye. Very persuasive, very thought provoking, very intriguing….I may not have all my words spelled correctly, but what’s new.

To the writer,

Nothing personal but your military friends are likely so low on the totem pole that even mentioning them in terms of torture policy is virtually non-sequitur. I doubt they are close enough to this inner circle who decides this.

A lumber jack with nailpolish…how funny, but no not quiet silly. Quite the opposite I must say. There is nothing brute about me. Pretty on the outside and now I feel pretty on the inside too, because of you. Give yourself more credit. Your an awesome guy expect the same to come your way! Cynical and funny at the same time how so you do it?

Spell Check I need you!

That is it…from now on I proofread 3 times before I submit. Pray I do better, please. :)

This is getting moved to Wells for sure…