http://www.statenews.com Five people, including two former MSU students, could be held liable for providing alcohol to a minor who was convicted of stealing an MSU service vehicle, operating it under the influence and killing an Okemos man in a March 18, 2005, crash. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:35:15 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40297 This guy still seems to not take any responsibility for his own actions. First he tried to sue the university for leaving an unattended running vehicle (which he stole). Now he is going after those that provided him with alcohol. I also do not understand why those at the dorm party he attended face possible charges for providing to minors when this guy apparently brought his own? How about taking responsibility for your own actions and choices? You may not be old enough to drink, but you are still an adult so live up to it! Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:02:43 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40297 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40301 Read the article Alumn. Hamil is not suing these 5, it is the estate of the man who was killed. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:14:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40301 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40304 Why take responsibility for any of your actions when you could become rich by putting all of the blame on someone else? Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:26:13 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40304 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40318 Alumn and Steve, I believe you are missing the point of this article. Hamil is in prison serving his sentence for 2nd degree murder. He has very little to do with this lawsuit other than being the one who consumed the alcohol. The lawsuit is between the victims estate and the people who presumably furnished Hamil with the alcohol. Don’t just skim articles. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:20:26 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40318 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40319 Yeah, sounds like they’re just trying to get as much money as they can from Hawkin’s death…pretty sad, actually. Do they think that getting more money is going to fix things and bring Hawkin back? It’s disgusting, and immoral. Wouldn’t you think that, if these people had furnished alcohol, that it would make more sense to give them some kind of sentencing then, instead of making them all fork over 25k to the Hawkin family?? Sounds like a bunch of money hungry people to me. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:21:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40319 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40320 Steve I know you are smart, so help me out here. The girls being sued are Freshmen, to me that would mean they are 18-19 years old, right. And if that is so, they can’t buy alchohol till they are 21 years of age. So how did they get the alchohol in the first place. It seems to me that it should be the person that bought the alchohol that should be sued along with those that provided it, if they plan to sue. This baffles me???? Those that bought Alexander Hamil, the vodka are being sued, that sounds right, so why not the person who bought the booze for the freshman girls, why aren’t they being sued? Am I reading this right? Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:29:31 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40320 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40321 I think that by sueing the people involved in this article it is away of dealing with grief by fighting for the deceased. It sends out a message that we are responsible for the choices we make. I honestly feel sorry for those involved, coz I had my share of drinking underage at one time in my life and I didn’t make good decisions. I am just glad that I am not having to face the consequences of my actions, thank God I never hurt anyone, but I was lucky, these folks weren’t. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:34:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40321 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40329 The family getting a bunch of money from a couple of college kids to buy boats, flat screen TVs, a couple cases of Natty Light, and to pay off some credit card debt is true vindication for the dead guy. They should sue Popov for making vodka and potato farmers for growing the potatoes. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:12:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40329 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40330 Slightly confused. Is Hamil 19 or 23. The article says both. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:14:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40330 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40334 And I will tell you why, his friend Scott had someone buy him the Vodka and deliver it to him, so Scott isn’t of age and neither could Hamil be of age or he would of purchased the Vodka. Also he was hanging around with Freshmen that would put him around 19. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:23:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40334 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40350 At the time it happened he was 19, but he’s 23 now, since this all happened in ’05. I also wonder why those two girls are getting sued. They’re getting sued because they drank with him? That sucks. I’ve drank with someone who punched me in the face later that night. You don’t see me suing him because I’m a money hungry whore. That guy also went to jail last night after we drove him home for something stupid. Would I be held responsible still, even though I did the responsible thing of getting him home and taking a punch in the face in the process? I can understand them suing Hamil and his alcohol providers, but Meeker and Winters don’t really have much in this unless they supplied him with more. Still, I don’t think they would deserve all 25k. Maybe a couple hundred or so if at all. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:19:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40350 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40359 Just because you didn’t sue that person for punching you in the face, that doesn’t make you classy. Get off of your high horse. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:24:56 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40359 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40369 Ok maybe I got a few of the facts screwed up in this case. The way it is written it is hard not to. I guess my point is we have society conditioned for passing on blame. The victoms family does have a case for some restitution, but as is typically the case it is not the one most responsible for the crime. Why sue a 19 year old deadbeat, they have no money anyway. Instead they target the university and when that fails those further down the chain get targeted. Since this happened 4 years ago (I wasn’t aware of that fact previously) I am sure those girls are just now getting out into the workforce, if they are so lucky to land a good job in today’s economy. Good luck to them to try and pay off student loans and $25k from an entry level salary. Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:34:22 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40369 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40391 That is all I have to say. Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:35:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40391