http://www.statenews.com The pushy guy you hooked up with after $2-pitcher night might have had real evidence when he slurred, “It’s OK, baby, I’ll just pull out.” The pull-out method, often considered for those “better-than-nothing” situations, competes with condoms in effectiveness, according to a study published in the June issue of Contraception magazine. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:33:56 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40453 Please tell me this isn’t on the front page. I think we have a new winner for the term “Slow News Day.” Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:16:44 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40453 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40454 Contraception magazine: It arrives at your door with the pages already stuck together. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:59:12 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40454 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40457 lol Macklin! Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:31:46 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40457 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40459 Slow news day? That’s the understatment of the year. This is the best we could come up with for the front page of the newspaper? Pathetic. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:46:42 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40459 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40460 Does this girl even work for The State News? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:54:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40460 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40461 Why is this on the front page? This is probably the fifth news story of the summer that probably shouldn’t have even been published but somehow made it to the front page. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:56:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40461 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40463 From the people I know who use this particular “method,” it is usually used in a situation when they are drunk, stoned, or both. With this in mind, I find it hard to believe that it would be used “perfectly” in most situations. And the fact that this made the front cover is just sad. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:17:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40463 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40464 True it isn’t full proof, but it does seem to work. And if you don’t like condoms and how they feel or birthcontrol becasue it doesn’t feel natural,this can work pretty well. However I wouldn’t take the chance unless I was in a committed relationship. Boy some people type and read fast unlike me. I Oops when I type fast…. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:22:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40464 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40465 “The pushy guy you hooked up with after $2-pitcher night might have had real evidence when he slurred, “It’s OK, baby, I’ll just pull out.” What pitcher ever costs $2.00, and ladies a pushy guy isn’t worth a $2.00 pitcher of beer, especially some guy you hooked up with. Ladies make the guy that you want to be with, be a guy who has to work for your affection, don’t sell yourself short. You will wake up feeling much better about yourself. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:26:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40465 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40467 You are kidding me there is a magazine out there called “Contraception magazine.” Sounds like some people have nothing better to read. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:30:25 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40467 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40472 hey, upper management of the paper, this is pretty trashy. i am a liberal college kid and still find this a dumb idea for a centerpiece. you aren’t cosmo. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:45:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40472 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40477 According to the study, perfect use does not take into account user error, and typical use provides a more realistic estimation of effectiveness. In typical use, the withdrawal method has an 18 percent error rate of pregnancy and condoms have a 17 percent error rate.” I am suprised to see how close the percentages are, very interesting…. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:04:13 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40477 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40480 Is it advocating pulling out as a method of birth control? Because they are showing us that it is a second runner up to the condom, as far as birth control, that is with all the percentages and all. But that it should be avoided to keep from getting STI’s. The only concern this article seems to show about the method is whether the guy will pull out on time or not as stated here“(Withdrawal) is on the top of our list for user malfunctions,” he said. “Withdrawal method can work if everything goes perfectly right, and there is no pre-ejaculant.” Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:24:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40480 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40481 I have always thought that MSU encouraged students to become raging alcoholics for a number of reasons, one of them being the bar ads published on the back pages of the student run newspaper. Now, I see the front page tells students to forget about condoms. what next? Russian Roulette as a new varsity sport? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:30:34 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40481 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40482 Leave the Pulling out method of birth control, to married couples who don’t have to worry about unwanted pregnancy, because that won’t be an issue. Single college students need to think about safety first, to avoid unwanted pregnancy and STI’s. Better Safe than Sorry. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:35:25 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40482 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40483 Catchy and funny at the same time. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:37:58 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40483 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40484 As an MSU Journalism Graduate from 2004, I am disgusted by this article!!!! Not only because it’s condoning a method of birth control to MSU students, but also because it IS NOT State News material! Has the Journalism department gone that downhill that THIS is considered an actual article of interest? Whoever is the State News editor now should be ashamed of themselves… Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:44:35 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40484 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40485 It reminds me a little of Octomom. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:49:05 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40485 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40486 Beth, you clearly have not read this rag in a while. Snoop around. It will blow your mind. And I’m sorry. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:52:16 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40486 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40487 I agree this should NOT be front page, nor even in The State News! Maybe the paper should go on summer break with the rest of the school. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:55:17 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40487 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40488 What happened to waiting till you’re married? How come no one ever encourages that any more? Is it because it is unrealistic or because they don’t believe people can actually control their sexual desries? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:00:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40488 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40489 I am the conservative one here….and I don’t understand why I am not more offened than I am. Seeing that a liberal college student said that they are offended that this is even in the paper at all. What is happening to me these past few months, I think that my mind is becoming a little to open, hum I wonder? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:06:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40489 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40490 Abstinence? Its not mentioned because it is unrealistic and not natural. We are not hard wired to wait until we are married. Lets teach actual sex education instead of the absurd idea of abstinence. It has proven ineffective. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:21:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40490 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40491 ‘The pull-out method is wonderful,” Yelder said. “It works all the time if you are in a relationship and dating that person exclusively.” If your Mom reads the paper she is going to know what you’ve been up to. And if your girlfriend’s Mom reads the paper she is going to know what your girlfriend has been up to. ;) Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:24:39 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40491 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40499 Did Dr. D. write this? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:45:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40499 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40502 Abstinence isn’t unrealistic or unnatural, and there are a lot of people who, like me, practice it. Try it, it’s not easy, especially on this campus, but it is really the way to go. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:02:03 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40502 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40504 Who is Dr. D? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:20:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40504 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40505 I cannot believe this is the front page of the State News… It looks liek you got this article from the onion. WHo the H is in charge of the State News these days? They should be ashamed… Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:25:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40505 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40510 So… I saw this on the front page today. Top story? Interesting editorial decision. Pulling out is better than nothing, I guess. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:43:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40510 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40512 Another poor showing by the State News. Not a single source in this story said pulling out was an effective form of birth control or prevention of STDs, they just compared them to condom use, which the failure rates were higher than in all situations. This is a terribly written, misleading story with a sensationalist title. If you aren’t going to print news, maybe you should just take the summer off instead of being edgy by promoting unsafe sexual behaviors. AND IT IS NOT TEXTILE FORMATTING. IT IS “TEXT STYLE” FORMATTING. Do you wonder why people make fun of journalism students on this campus? It is because of the state news. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:48:58 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40512 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40515 Also, what about STDs??? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:08:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40515 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40516 Who wrote this, it will be ammunition for STD carrying pink shirt frat fags to pick up easy skanks at the skank tank on grand river and spread the disease. It is foolish to post this article in the paper and on the web. My GOD I feel like I’m getting Conservative or something, jeez o peets! Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:41:16 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40516 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40517 “Who wrote this, it will be ammunition for STD carrying pink shirt frat fags to pick up easy skanks at the skank tank on grand river and spread the disease.” Except that the article very clearly notes that: “In addition to the risk of user malfunctions, pulling out offers no protection against sexually transmitted infections.” If women really trust said frat boy and agree to have sex without a barrier method, they deserve what they get. That’s nothing new. That being said, this is old news. Google Natural Family Planning and do some research; the Catholic Church has advocated that as its recommended form of birth control for ages. The other thing to note is that the experimental criteria for this study are not noted at all. Were the effects of alcohol considered? Did they measure the number of pregnancies carried to term or all pregnancies, including the ones that didn’t implant? Was the point of the woman’s cycle considered? It is irresponsible to report this as an alternative to condom use if the “perfect use” required for the results is completely unrealistic – such as alchohol-free sex 13-14 days after ovulation with pull-out occuring more than 13 seconds before ejaculation. :-/ Poor science and poor reporting. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:09:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40517 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40520 It is a slow summer, people. Only a recession, rise in gas prices, largest job employment in 26 years. See? Nothing else big going on! Or maybe this “pulling out” article pertains to Iraq? Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:02:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40520 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40522 Joshua Vincent: “Who wrote this, it will be ammunition for STD carrying pink shirt frat fags to pick up easy skanks at the skank tank on grand river and spread the disease. It is foolish to post this article in the paper and on the web. My GOD I feel like I’m getting Conservative or something, jeez o peets!” The only thing ‘conservative’ about what you are saying is that you used violent language towards gays and women.. and that’s not conservative unless you are using Rush or his buddies as your compass. Might also not want to insult people in fraternities? Yes, this article is egregiously irresponsible.. but why take it out on gays and women? Again.. Rude. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:47:33 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40522 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40523 Nope, Yellow Journ…I did not write it! But I did comment in the article because I felt the need to try and counter the sensational nature of the study. This study is not only sensational in what they say, but the study itself is more about ‘fun with numbers’ than a true sound scientific inquiry. I tried to talk the reporter out of it, but alas to no avail. Sending the message that withdrawal is a ‘safe’ method is not only dangerous in the sense of pregnancy protection, but does nothing for STI protection. The study and the promo of the story wer done with a hidden ‘agendas’, so pay the people behind the latex curtain no mind. Peace, love and protection for all. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:56:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40523 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40525 I simply thought of one of my old roommates who just nailed em all. We called him a pink shirt frat fag. No diss on anyone, just sounds fun. I was all worked up and wrote foolishly and forgot that it now tells you who I am, bad idea Josh! Regardless, this article is foolish and there are plenty of foolish people out there that would not read the whole thing. Still, why is this a rational article to write at a competitor for best party school. Why oh why? Once again, no grievance with gay, no grievance with all frat boys, and lets give peace a chance. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:13:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40525 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40526 i can not even believe this was published…let alone made it to the front page. new low for the state news. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:06:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40526 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40530 “Sex should be an additional part of an ongoing relationship, and hopefully it is a committed relationship at best. But marriage is where it was designed to be, so try to hold off if you can.” Yes I’m sure that when we evolved marriage was taken into consideration. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:08:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40530 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40532 This article is ridiculous. Even the first sentence in some way seems to condone the pushy guy’s actions…Apparently it’s now okay for a guy to take advantage of you as long as he pulls out?… Can’t wait for all the assholes out there to use this headline as justification for spreading disease and knocking up their bullied girls. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:25:35 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40532 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40534 This article is ridiculous. While I can understand the State News wanting to publish the study results, the lead is awful and corny, and you’ve got to be kidding me that this is on the front page. I also have a hard time believing the trustworthiness of the study’s source. This really was not the best choice of story. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:38:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40534 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40535 Seriously. I’m not religious or a freak; but I’ve been dating a guy for two years and am still a virgin, and I couldn’t be happier. I have too many friends who have sex that they regret the next morning to feel like a “loser” just because I feel like waiting until I’m absolutely ready or married. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:22:10 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40535 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40538 Unbelievably embarrassing on so many levels! This is NOT top story, front page material for a respectable news outlet. I don’t even think that’s debatable. Worse… did anyone edit this for read-ability? Even more repulsive… the moral tone. A sad day for responsible journalism at MSU. You owe your readers an apology, if not, a refund. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:51:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40538 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40539 Hopefully this girl is not a JRN major. Who is this Marissa Cumbers? How did this story make it to the front page? This story is the worst story I’ve ever seen. This does nothing but tell people that it’s kind of okay to have unprotected sex with random guys who probably have about 399 STD’s, because the pitcher’s we’re sooooo cheap!! I guess that’s okay. What a moron. When are pitchers ever cheaper than $3 anyway? I guess that’s irrelevant because the point is I don’t have to ever use a condom again with ANYONE! Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:04:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40539 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40541 judging from the positively frightening comments i hear from girls about what they consider proper or effective birth control methods, as well as idiots who read headlines and skip the rest of the article, publishing this story in a university paper is pretty irresponsible, much less on the front page. all college kids need is more ammunition to “save money” on condoms and perpetuate diseases already running rampant. unfortunately it isn’t entirely common knowledge (again judging from what i hear from girls) that condoms are also necessary for stopping the spread of diseases, no need to confuse any more dumb chicks that they don’t need to go on the pill OR use condoms or any other contraceptive device because pulling out has such small margin of error when done correctly.. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:25:29 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40541 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40542 First, Attacking the writer makes no sense becuase they don’t pick the topic…they just do what they are told. Second, I always the thought one of the points of a newspaper is to attract readers? I could be wrong, but if this is the case, it got the job done. Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:44:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40542 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40544 The fact that people feel so strongly negative about this is absolutely absurd to me. We live in a world today where “John & Kate Plus Eight” are regularly featured in full length articles in highly regarded national newspapers and other publications, yet there is an uproar over this article published in a liberal college newspaper. Never once in this article does the author, Marissa, promote or condone unprotected sex or not using proper contraception. As a matter of fact she clearly states that “pulling-out” is not as affective as other methods of contraception. So why don’t we all just get off our high horses, stop worrying about where we can actually find $2 pitchers (because heaven forbid she not go to enough MSU bars to know they’re $3), and take this article for what it is; a semi-informative, semi-funny article that is written for a college audience… oh but wait, maybe I forgot who the target audience for The State News actually is???? Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:36:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40544 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40570 this is the most ridiculous article ever published in the history of writing. i can’t even believe this has been published. and at that, in a college publication Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:42:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40570 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40588 Where’s the news judgment on this one? Page One-worthy? Uh, no. Story-worthy? Barely. Summertime news can’t be this slow… They should’ve pulled this article out of the newspaper – THAT would’ve been effective. Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:33:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40588 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40589 I read you’re earlier post, and I want to let you know that you are so right on, by sticking to your guns and remaining a virgin, even on a campus like this. Don’t sell yourself short Virgins are a type of sexy all to themselves. Be proud of your convictions. Save yourself for the person that desrves you and hopefully that will be when you get married. I envy you. Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:36:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40589 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40591 STD’s: sexually transmitted diseases are now referred to as STI’s: sexually transmitted infections. Always having to sound politically correct, don’t ya know. Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:47:51 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40591 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40599 Don’t use the pull out method use protection. But remember Abstinence IS Best. Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:14:50 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40599 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40605 I don’t know what you guys are talking about. I’ve been using this method for the past 3 years and I’ve only got ghonnoreah ONCE!! I think those are some pretty damn good odds. Besides, me and my partner have only one mishap, but now me and my mom call him my brother! Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:15:19 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40605 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40617 You all need to open your minds a little bit. This should not have upset you. She stated that they were still doing studies on STI’s and the pull out method. They are not encouraging it, she was informing you all on a new and surprising statistic. FREAK OUT. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:30:51 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40617 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40648 Maybe the State News should just publish four-five crosswords a day and stay away from trying to report on this rigmarole. After all, crosswords are the only reason I pick up the State News. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:50:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40648 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40650 Now that is a catchy name. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:04:27 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40650 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40678 I’m sorry that all of you have enough time on your hands to criticize the author. If you have such a problem with the articles, maybe you would like to go to school and study journalism and then take the author’s place since you clearly are all much better writers. Do you really think the state news would hire someone that wasn’t qualified? I think the article does a great job of presenting both sides, as any controversial article should. You don’t have to agree with it, but really, grow up- and lay off the author. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:27:38 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40678 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40748 I totally agree, it was a well-written article and by no means the first of its content to be published in the State News. It’s completely relevant to its publication’s audience. “Condoning” pulling out? I guess any articles investigating suicide, hate crimes, or alcohol poisoning are indirectly condoning those, as well? Get over yourselves. Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:44:46 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40748 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41065 I don’t think it is appropriate to criticize statenews for reporting this story, they scooped “The Globe and Mail” (a National Canadian Newspaper), by a week. Here is the link, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/withdrawal-gaining-favour-as-birth-control-method/article1177348/. It is the same story, but I must acknowledge that it is much better written. I also took a look at the actual research on which this story is based, http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/reprints/Contraception79-407-410.pdf. There are two important points that I must point out. First, this study is primarily based on the experiences of couples in a monogamous relationship, where the primary concern was avoiding pregnancy, and not avoiding STIs (presumably b/c neither member of the couple had one). Thus, it is questionable as to whether the data obtained in this report can be applied to a college population, whose members SHOULD be concerned about STIs. Second, most research subjects in the study reported using withdrawal in addition to other forms of birth control (ie. condoms, the pill, etc…), so the method they are using is in fact a combination method, and it is very hard to separate the effect of withdrawal from the other methods. (ie. There is some confounding in the study results). Also, many couples didn’t even consider withdrawal as a contraception method, and only mentioned withdrawal after further questions, which introduces recall bias into the study. This is coupled with the fact that there is an acknowledged lack of research and data on the withdrawal method, and how frequently it is actually used. (Withdrawal may be greatly under reported for reasons mentioned above). So to summarize this story, the withdrawal method could be a very effective and convenient (not having to worry about the hassle or discomfort of using condoms) method of birth control only for a very specific subset of people, which probably does not include most college students. This article, nor my comment, nor anyone else, can endorse particular sexual practices for anyone. It is the responsiblity of the individual to balance the risks and rewards of various sexual practices. It is however, the responsibilty of media/news/professionals to correctly inform the public about their options (and not mislead or misrepresent, as this article may have done). (now if I could only find a way to follow the conversation without having to check back here every day), :) Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:33:56 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41065