http://www.statenews.com I think the comments at statenews.com about the article Got protection? Study finds pulling out effective (SN 6/8) speak for themselves: The withdrawal method is not newsworthy and students still do not feel that it is an effective form of birth control. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:09:14 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40627 Pwnt. Well said, Ms. Phillipich. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:07:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40627 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40634 If I recall when I read the study it never claimed that it prevented STD transmission. In fact, I don’t even recall the study attempting to address that. So while that is a good question to ask, and something perhaps to study, it was outside of the intent of the study. “The withdrawal method is not newsworthy and students still do not feel that it is an effective form of birth control.” That’s great, but how about you show us some evidence instead of just using some STD-worrying scare tactics? This study actually shows us hard evidence instead of your anecdotal evidence. “None of the survey respondents regarding the withdrawal method were college-aged, and almost all were in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship where the primary concern was pregnancy prevention.” What does the fact that none of them were college-aged have to do with the accuracy of the study? You have to be 40 years old in order to know when you are going to orgasm? That’s ridiculous. Moreover, the study aimed to determine it’s effectiveness in preventing pregnancy… period. So obviously it was not aimed at homosexual relationships. Moreover, I’d like to point out the fact again that monogamy has nothing to do with knowing when you are going to ejaculate. I applaud your attempt at questioning the legitimacy of the study, but you are stretching for things outside of what the study sought to prove/disprove. I also understand that this does not support your condom-campaign that Olin has going. The evidence for STD prevention is clearly in favor of condom use. However, we need to present facts here and allow people to weigh the risks and benefits to both using condoms versus not using condoms and the risks of disease transmission that come with latter. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:37:40 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40634 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40666 “What does the fact that none of them were college-aged have to do with the accuracy of the study? You have to be 40 years old in order to know when you are going to orgasm? That’s ridiculous. Moreover, the study aimed to determine it’s effectiveness in preventing pregnancy… period. So obviously it was not aimed at homosexual relationships. Moreover, I’d like to point out the fact again that monogamy has nothing to do with knowing when you are going to ejaculate.” How about the fact that college sex includes risk factors not seen in monogamous, stable relationships? Before you start with your anecdotal reasoning (which ir ironic since you g=ding the author for hers), let’s have a look at a study from the Journal of Substance Abuse Treament: http://www.sefasrtc.org/publications/Ingersoll.pdf Summary of the article: “Combining binge drinking or regular drinking with using contraception ineffectively results in the risk of alcohol-exposed pregnancy (AEP).” I won’t pull any articles for you on binge drinking being much more prevalent on a college campus. There are too many to choose from. You’re right that monogamy doesn’t have anything to do with when you ejaculate. But being wasted, stoned, or too far gone because it’s your first time does. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:18:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40666 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40667 Well worded, please write more. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:27:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40667 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40668 This pulling out method has met its match. Condoms are the answer is that what I hear in this article? What else do you suggest? I mean really do people think clearly in the heat of the moment, especially in the heat of the unexpected moment. And I have to agree with the above blog I think people of any age know when they are going to have an orgasim, after all it is pretty well felt, if you know what I mean. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:32:58 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40668 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40679 Steve- I’m sure you recognize the concept of sample bias. The various experimental groups should not be homogenous and the authors need to control for factors such as age, socio-economic status, race, etc. What evidence do you have that 40 year olds aren’t more effective at pulling out? I suppose it makes sense that any idiot should know when to pull out, but you didn’t present any evidence other than anecdotal evidence you trashed in the letter. Actually, you didn’t even give anecdotal evidence since you just stated your opinion. The same goes for monogamy. I don’t have any evidence one way or the other, but the idea that someone in a monogomous relationship may be more careful than someone in a random sexual encounter isn’t exactly shocking. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:03:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40679 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40683 “The various experimental groups should not be homogenous and the authors need to control for factors such as age, socio-economic status, race, etc.” That would imply that there are physiological differences between those groups. As far as I know, orgasms are not different based upon how much money you have or what race you are. If there is no physiological difference in the things you are attempting to control for, then it amounts to nothing more than statistical-masturbation, so to speak. “How about the fact that college sex includes risk factors not seen in monogamous, stable relationships?” Those risk factors would affect the study of STD contraction if that’s what the study was attempting to address. Since that was not the scope of the study, again there is no physiological difference in the ejaculation of a man in a monogamous relationship versus polygamous relationship. I am not sure where you think I stated my opinion in my response. However, I could be wrong. I simply addressed the fact that this opinion piece criticized the study based upon things that study was not attempting to address. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:57:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40683 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40696 Steve, you really need to learn to read. “Those risk factors would affect the study of STD contraction if that’s what the study was attempting to address. Since that was not the scope of the study, again there is no physiological difference in the ejaculation of a man in a monogamous relationship versus polygamous relationship.” Except the risk factors I noted – and described in the study I linked – are PREGNANCY risk factors. Alcohol consumption affects both a woman’s and a man’s reasoning, reflexes, and sensitivity. The study also notes that college students are more likely to binge drink and hook up with a random encounter for sex. Even if you disregard the study, do you really think that a drunken couple having a one-night stand is going be careful and have the guy pull out in time? Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:01:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40696 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40706 Steve- Well, the word physiological covers a rather wide range of attributes, but to pretend that a 40 year old having sex and a 20 year old having sex are identical in every way is not supportable. Within those groups you have varying levels of education, sexual experience, parental involvement, etc all of which play a role in sexual responsibility. This isn’t strictly a discussion on the physical act of pulling out. There are mental, emotion and ethical aspects that play a role in a sexual encounter. Teen pregnancy rates vary widely between races and socio-economic status precisely because sex is not simply a physical act. I don’t think is exactly a radical concept to believe that someone in a committed relationship and with more sexual experience is going to be more careful/responsible. Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:32:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40706 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40738 “Well, the word physiological covers a rather wide range of attributes, but to pretend that a 40 year old having sex and a 20 year old having sex are identical in every way is not supportable. Within those groups you have varying levels of education, sexual experience, parental involvement, etc all of which play a role in sexual responsibility. This isn’t strictly a discussion on the physical act of pulling out. There are mental, emotion and ethical aspects that play a role in a sexual encounter. Teen pregnancy rates vary widely between races and socio-economic status precisely because sex is not simply a physical act.” Please show me some kind data, textbook, even Wikipedia article that says that education level affects a mans ability to know when he’s about to ejaculate and pull out. Please show me that someones income affects there ability to sense it’s time to pull out. The SES, culture, etc. may affect whether or not they pull out all together, but it does not affect a person’s ability to sense orgasm is imminent. These are all interesting points you bring up, but in regards to whether or not properly used coitus interruptus is an effective technique for preventing pregnancy, they are not applicable. Please, someone, I am begging you, show me in some semi-scientific way how whether or not you got a good “birds and bees” talk when you were a child affects your ability to know when it’s time to pull out. “Even if you disregard the study, do you really think that a drunken couple having a one-night stand is going be careful and have the guy pull out in time?” Again, the study was not directed at trying to determine the skill level of a drunken college male copulating. It was simply aimed at whether or not the act of pulling out an prevent pregnancy. Moreover, I would argue that people are even more likely to be careful when they are having that one night stand. If I am going to have a “booboo” and get a girl pregnant, I would much rather have it be a long-term partner than some random girl. Let’s see, a long-term relationship that ends up with a child, or a one-night stand that ends up lasting 18 years. That argument could go either way. However, again, I point out the fact that you are questioning things outside the scope of the study. Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:16:17 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/40738 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41154 View Points in the ABOVE BLOGS and a lot of work put into them too. Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:09:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41154