http://www.statenews.com Marriage is something urban planning graduate student Matt Earls says he’s always dreamed about. But for Earls and his boyfriend, public policy graduate student Paul Holland, marriage remains a dream in Michigan, where a 2004 amendment to the state constitution banned same-sex marriage. en-us Gryphon 2.2.3b-tsn (woodward)/Foundry5 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:30:49 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41181 There has been a massive generational shift on this issue. People over 30 are divided on the issue of same sex marriage, but most people under 30 really don’t see what the big deal is. This trend will follow in the next generation, and so on. In other words, before too long, resistance to gay marriage will quite literally die off. Sometimes justice comes with the sword, sometimes the scythe. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:25:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41181 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41185 Fantastic article, Brittany Shammas. This is just another reason why the people of Michigan need to dust off, step up and work hard to make the state an accepting and progressive place to live. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:17:38 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41185 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41188 § 28.570 (MCL §750.338) Gross indecency between male persons; attempts; penalty; commission by sexually delinquent person; penalty. Sec.338. Any male person who, in public or private, commits or is a party to the commission of or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of any act of gross indecency with another male person shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life. Michigan’s sodomy law Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:50:17 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41188 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41192 Hey Michigan Law, The Michigan Sodomy Law was declared unconstitutional in 1990 in the case of Michigan Organization for Human Rights v. Kelley. Furthermore all anti-homosexual sodomy laws were declared unconstitutional in the US Supreme Court ruling Lawrence v. Texas (2003). Your repeating an old law is like quoting the Michigan Anti-Miscegenation Law, a law which forbade interracial marriages, which has since been repealed. What is the merit of your post to this discussion? Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:27:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41192 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41198 Marriage is NOTHING MORE than a legal contract between two people and the state. I can’t see the opposition’s side to this. Its just a contract, nothing more. As far as I know, gays are not demanding to be married in YOUR church. They are just demanding equal treatment as a tax payer. Thats fine by me. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:05:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41198 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41203 For those of you claiming homosexuality is a “lifestyle”, that is a false and ignorant statement. Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don’t choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological. http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html Gay, Straight Men’s Brain Responses Differ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/ There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. “Nurture” may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological. And it should also be noted that: “It is worth noting that many medical and scientific organisations do believe it is impossible to change a person’s sexual orientation and this is displayed in a statement by American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association.” Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:13:42 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41203 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41205 Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Any educated Christian would know that. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality. http://www.soulfoodministry.org/docs/English/NotASin.htm http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html http://www.christchapel.com/romans_inter.html http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/BiblicalReferences.php http://www.gaychristian101.com/ Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will. This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God’s will. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:15:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41205 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41206 In reply to shadow_man. You are wrong. The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality. You can twist and make excuses all you want, but it literally states it as a sin. A sin. Just a sin. Just like any other sin. Something that needs to be confessed and worked on and eventually stopped. Just like I need to stop swearing or putting other things before God or being mean to my sister. God loves everyone. EVERYONE. You, me, every homosexual, the SAME. Will they go to hell? I have no idea. I know that I won’t because of my sin, but I have confessed and have been forgiven, so I have assurance. I’m sorry that other Christians have not been loving toward homosexuals. This is wrong and is a sin. Our aim is not to judge, but to help turn those struggling with sin back toward Christ. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:44:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41206 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41210 excellent post Chelsea Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:56:28 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41210 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41212 So if homosexuality is not a choice, then that must make it a genetic defect, right? That makes sense, since the ultimate biological goal of sexual relations is to procreate the species. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:05:05 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41212 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41216 What doesn’t the Bible condemn? Sure there is murder, adultery, rape and incest, but who are we, mere mortals, to ignore all the precepts of the Divine Creator? Have you ever worn clothing made from two types of material? Have you ever made a bet? How about ordered your steak rare or undercooked? I’m sure you all keep Kosher right? Sure Christians like to say, they have entered into a New Covenant with God and that all the Old Testament commands (except the ones they conveniently choose are valid). However, this argument is false. Did Jesus not say in the Book of Matthew, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB) You’d better think twice about wearing the cotton polyester blend shirt for it is an abomination in the eyes of God! Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:31:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41216 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41217 Ben, I know it is easy to pull the knee-jerk reaction when told you are no longer allowed to do something, but lets take a moment to honestly look at how you are framing “equality”. Under the current status quo, only heterosexual couples are allow access to the legal benefits of marriage; Homosexual couples are being actively denied access to those same rights. Allowing equal access to such benefits does absolute nothing to restrict the ones you yourself already have the ability to enjoy, which is the basic idea of equality in the first place. I’m sure you could try to make a stab at “They are denying my right to deny rights to others through legislature”, but that would be a pathetically juvenile line of debate that I hope can be avoided. As fun as it is to imagine a dystopian future of gay rights where heterosexual men are tracked down in the streets and forced to marry a gay out-of-work stage actor from the West Village, such thoughts are best reserved for bad science fiction authors and not a discussion about equal access to rights. No one is going to break down the doors of churches and force a gay wedding to be held there against the will of the parish. The religious and legal separation of marriage need to be distinctly separate, as even sharing the same word that has divergent contexts depending on how it is used allows for the dissemination of misinformation on the issue. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:40:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41217 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41221 God created Gay! It’s definitely not a choice! Anyone who knows a Gay person knows this “truth”! The question many Christians should be asking is “Why did God create Gays?”. THE WORLD IS OVERPOPULATED WITH LIMITED FOOD AND NATURAL RESOURCES…HETEROSEXUALS ARE ABANDONING CHILDREN FOR WHAT EVER REASONS …Maybe God came up with an ANSWER! Instead of working with God, so many churches are pouring instead, OBSCENE AMOUNTS OF MONEY into trying to stop two people created differently form themselves from “tying the knot”…money which could help the poor. I believe Christ had a word for this … “HYPOCRITES”! The Goliath Churches who continue to crucify these people created by God will eventually see the light! WHAT ONE SOWS, SO SHALL THEY REAP! Steve Leong – Hawaii Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:03:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41221 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41225 Steven Leong: God did not create sin, we did, but just because temptation is present does not mean we cannot overcome it. You are right, hypocrites and those who judge will reap what they sow. Those who do this are in the wrong and sinning. I apologize for their actions and I am saddened by their lack of love for others. My interpretation of the efforts to stop homosexual marriage is not to interfere or not help the poor, but to help protect and encourage the ways of life that God created. Marriage is not just a contract (Kham), it is a union before God and man and a promise. Marriage was encouraged and sacred and still should be. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:24:35 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41225 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41226 Matthew: We are not bound to the law. The reason we look back on the laws of the Old Covenant is because they were created to show sin. They were created in context of the times. Jesus meant to keep in mind the commandments and laws, but to not let them rule over you. Not to be ungodly, but also not be legalistic. Jesus himself healed on the Sabbath, which would technically break the law if what you are saying was true, but we are NOT bound by the law, Jesus did not sin and was perfect atonement of the sin of the world. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:36:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41226 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41229 Chelsea: Again, my complaint is you are picking and choosing laws and commandments from the Bible at your own discretion. How can some laws be created in the context of the time they were written but others be absolute for all ages and all people? Who decides which ones are still valid and by what authority does he/she make this decision? Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about divorce? Is that not the gravest crime against marriage? Does not divorce and remarriage constitute the sin of adultery? (“What God has joined together, let no man put asunder..”) Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:54:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41229 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41230 Chelsea Yes is is a contract, and GOD has NOTHING to do with it. Why are you forcing your God on others. Separation between Church and State Chelsea, if you dont have that you only have a different flavor of Islam. Yes sure you believe in God, and Jesus, and thats fine, if you talk to me about is I will tell you why thats stupid. When you push your beliefs upon others, you negate any respect you will get from me. Faith does NOT equal respect, and you shall receive all the respect you deserve because NONE is acutely due. Faith is nothing more than the deliberate suspension of disbelief. These People, these gays, are taxpayers and citizens. You cannot deny them the right to get married by your logic unless you also denied people the right to get a divorce. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:01:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41230 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41231 (sorry for all those typos, I had to go self edit all the bad words out, and I made a mess of things, again, I apologize) Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:05:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41231 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41236 Please stop bickering about ancient scriptures that have absolutely nothing at all to do with our civil law…this is not about what you “believe” or how you interpret your scriptures…it is about secular civil law and equality before the state…it is a legal argument and is not a difficult one if those preoccupied with their tribal and fanatical superstitions would embrace even a ounce of incredulity…everyone ought to be governed by the same law, under the same process…this is equality and it is simple…no church is being consulted and religious followers ought to keep their babble and bickering within their churches and let the rest of us adults work to build a more just world for all people while they pine for death and the “kingdom” to come… Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:40:43 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41236 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41237 I’m really sorry if I have offended anyone. I’m only here to voice my opinion!! I completely understand if you agree and you are welcome to disagree. We all have our views and I don’t want to force mine on anyone, just voice them :-) Anyway.. Matthew: We do not pick and choose laws. I will not sacrifice an animal to earn forgiveness because Jesus has done that. I will not go through purification rituals before entering a church either. I will however, do my best to obey the 10 commandments. I follow doctrine found and prayed over by those who are smarter and wiser than me. It’s not necessarily their right, but if God speaks to them then he does. My view of Christianity is built upon faith, not rules, theology or logic. Divorce is a sin, but God understands our sin. He hates it, but understands us and has given us free will to sin. The Bible allows divorce in the case of adultery. I don’t believe in it, but I understand that not everyone holds my beliefs… so when I vote, I do not vote based on moral issues. Unlike many I know (not that I am right and they are not or vice-versa) I vote based on politics and views, not on moral issues. I have my opinions but it is not my job to decide if gay marriage or abortion is right or wrong for someone else. I don’t agree with it, I won’t “support it”, I will even speak against it, but I am not the judge of the world, and my vote will not stop what will be done by the world. Many sins are legal, that doesn’t mean they aren’t sins. Kham: Maybe you don’t see the contract having to do with God, but I do. America was founded upon radical Christian beliefs. Yes, they are fading, but they are still there, and you can’t blame me for trying to hold tight. Christians came here for religious freedom, and they have it, and we have given freedom to all other religions as well. Although marriage is a legal union, I view it as a spiritual and official union before God, recognizing unwavering and permanent commitment that God created between one man and one woman. I’m sorry, but it’s true. I am not asking for respect because of my faith, but as your equal. Sorry if I offended you, once again!! I do not wish to push anything upon you, just to show you how I feel in contrast. As much as I want you to understand my view I want to understand yours and not upset you!! :-) Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:50:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41237 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41239 “America was founded upon radical Christian beliefs.” This is patently false Chelsea, I don’t know what they tell you in church, but the American government was founded on radical secular sentiments; a government of civil law enacted by the people, not a government of god administered by the church. I must be mistaken about the Treaty of Tripoli being unanimously ratified in the Senate and Signed by President Adams in 1797 and proclaims that “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” As for “Christians hav[ing] given freedom to all other religions…” I guess I should thank you and all those charitable Christians for giving me my freedoms. I guess I ought to give some cash to some televangelist. For some reason (possibly reading books) I thought that my freedoms were founded on the liberal (heretical) notions of natural and civil rights. I seem to remember something about religious persecution occurring throughout our nation’s history and for some reason I thought the persecutors were Christians. I must be really confused. Let’s stop this nonsense and govern civilly and secularly as was intended and as it ought to be. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:34:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41239 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41240 Your idea of history is jaded. The Founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson (Christianity is the most perverted system that has ever shone on man), James Madison, Benjamin Franklin (Lighthouses are more useful than churches), John Adams (This world would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no region in it) These guys? I dont know you, but usually at this point you folks jump to the” In God we Trust” argument. I would urge you to google search “in god we trust on money” So you can see for yourself that it was not always there, and the founding fathers did not have anything to do with it. Don’t take anyone word at face value, look it up yourself. I would go on to guess your next argument will be “ One nation, under god,” Again, that was added in 1954, well beyond the years of the most healthy of the founding fathers. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:36:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41240 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41241 Best solution: abolish state recognized sanctioned marriages, leave it as private contracts between individuals, get the state out of it. Eliminate special heterosexual marriage insurance benefits. So literally, THIS WHOLE EFFING THING IS ABOUT INSURANCE BENEFITS, because gays certainly aren’t concerned about not living in sin. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:37:33 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41241 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41242 “The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason.” Franklin, Benjamin on Faith Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:42:16 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41242 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41244 Access to insurance benefits is certainly a component of the issue, but far from the whole thing. Issues with inheritance, adoption, spousal privilege, and co-ownership of property along with numerous other outstanding issues need to be addressed. The simplest way to go about that from where we currently are is to drop restrictions that marriage can only be for a heterosexual couple and allow homosexual couples to operate within the established social and bureaucratic framework. To be frank, saying that the whole thing is about insurance (money, essentially) is terribly offensive. This is a human rights issue, one which obviously has financial components but regardless is still fundamentally about human rights. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41244 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41252 Let the religious fanatics do as they please. The cost to the churches will be that they lose all their tax benefits. If the churches choose to discriminate, then they do not receive government funding or tax exemptions. The churches will pay property taxes just like any other business. If the individual denominations choose to reject ‘marriage’ for same sex couples, then so what? At least one part of marriage is the legal (NOT the religious) recognition. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:13:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41252 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41254 As a gay man, let me say this to you: Frankly, I don’t care if you think my lifestyle is a sin. That’s you’re belief and you have every right to have it. However, honor my right to live my life the way that it was fully intended to be lived. No, my sexual orientation is not a choice. I can’t change my being gay just like heterosexuals can’t choose their being stright. They have not attraction towards the same sex and don’t want to express their love to them. I don’t have any attraction to the opposite sex. And as far as marriage goes: I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard “sanctity of marriage”. Whoever uses this term, please get off you’re high horse and let it go. If they’re that worried about sanctity, there would be something done about divorce, harsh laws would be enacted for adulterers and women would feel more of a need to truley have a white wedding. So far I see a high divorce rate, no penalties for adultery, and lets just say that a vast number of wedding sheets stay their intended color. If I love my partner, I should have the right to commit to them, see them in the hospital past visiting hours, have ownership, as well as other benefits. I don’t care what you think about my orientation, what goes on between my sheets is my buisness, just as it is yours in your bed. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:12:22 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41254 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41264 Henry, So you want to violate the true meaning of “separation of church and state” (Jefferson’s original point was that the wall must stand to protect church from state, not the other way around) in order to advance your agenda? Maybe you need to rethink that and step back from your religious intolerance, since you seem a little confused by all this. To get married in a church you have to first have a valid marriage license issued by the state. Beyond that, do you really want to advocate for a world in which public policy is based on people’s personal beliefs? Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:50:26 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41264 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41268 For the record, I don’t think homosexuality is inherently immoral, and I’m not a Christian, and I know there are gay Christians but it isn’t the majority because of the Bible’s numerous tirades against lying with another man. Thus my implied statement that gays don’t want church weddings to prevent living in sin.(I’m a libertarian agnostic, so you can imagine I have few friends) I really don’t care what homosexuals do, at all. I am a proponent of limiting heterosexual unions to the maximum perks and privileges afforded to homosexual couples, because I agree there is absolutely no sanctity in the sham institution of marriage. None. You wanna talk about going with the flow and using existing bureaucracy, watch you flip the script on the issue of the public “option” in health care. What existing bureaucracy> They want to create a new unfundable trillion dollar program, but you’re clearly liberal and will support this completely while supporting the existing bureaucracy for heterosexual marriage benefits. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:18:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41268 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41282 The third member of the wedding party is the Marriage Contract. I picture it as an entity that looks at both partners and chuckles.The “contract” can be anything the couple decides and is not defined in a court of law. It is, however the glue that binds and makes the couple think twice about making the relationship casual. Gays need the opportunity, as bad as it is, to have the option of the “contract”. Christianity is a religion for those who need to be bossed around and kept weak by their oppressors. The “Pie in the Sky When You Die-ers” do not live life, they react to it. Most rational, intellectual thinkers do have a hard time explaining that if you can’t believe in Santa Claus, why do you believe in other absurdities? Lenin hit it with “religion is the opiate of the people”. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:17:38 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41282 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41287 Chelsea, The 21st century asked me to ask you to join it. Just waiting for you to recommend bleeding them with leeches. Why are bible bangers the least Christian of Christians? A head scratcher for sheezy Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:10:17 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41287 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41296 I warned you Chelsea, this is why your church warns you to stay away from the evil internet. You might learn something that is unfiltered via church. You can have your beliefs Chelsea, but if you open your mouth and start to discuss your bronze age desert dogma, people will tell you why thats incredibly stupid. The same would happen to anyone who tries to argue on the point that a fairy tale is fact. You shall receive all the respect due, because none is due. One last thing, you are not my peer, no more than a bronze age person is a modern mans peer. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:29:31 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41296 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41298 Religions: hundreds of millions of violent deaths and counting. Did I offend someone when I said even heterosexual marriage is a sham, it has no sanctity? I’ll reiterate, there is nothing inherently immoral about homosexuality, I really don’t care. A show of hands, how many gays desire church weddings? The best way to achieve equality is to eliminate heterosexual benefits over homosexual partnerships, because the special benefits are really indefensible, and will show the singular financial mindedness of the bible thumpers and perhaps a few homosexual partners at that. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:54:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41298 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41299 Isn’t it wonderful that all these people who are so in favor of tolerance when it comes to gay marriage can also show the maturity and self-discernment to extend that same tolerance to those – such as Chelsea – with whom they disagree? [/sarcasm off] Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:55:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41299 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41304 Thank you Todd. I have been wondering to myself why is it that I have found only women taking the time to try to convey the genuine faith of Christianity, is it the nuturing party of who we are, I really wonder… Now I hope to share my thought with you: To all you Atheists, please take a listen . I have already been through the ringer with you myself once before. So I hope you will just take a listen here, because the love that is in me is the love of Christ. First off NOT all Christians are Christians at all. IT is easy to use a name to describe onesself. I don’t understand why you seem to have so much negativity? Is it because someone who was a Christian turned you off to Chritianity? If that is the case, what a poor example they have set. Honestly Christ is very real to me…He is NOT a fairy tale in the sky or a excuse to sin, because I will be forgiven, or a get out of jail ticket or this or that. HE is very real. He has become a very important part of me. I didn’t always have him, I wasn’t raised without religion myself. HE found me! HE saved me and he continues to be there for me. It is a intimate relationship, very simple, very true. Listen for the first time in my life I am in hell, I have fallen away from God, not that he has fallen away from me. I want to go back to where I was before…but I am distracted by something in my life, something that unexpectly came along. So I know the difference, I truely do,that of having a close relationship with GOD and now one where HE calls me but I feel so lost. I am having a hard time getting back to HIM. I hate where I am, I hate the pain that it has caused me. One good thing has occured, I love the unbeliever more than I could have ever before, because of Christ’s love that still remains in me. I hope to make my way back to him and to be a stronger more loving, Christian than I was before. I hope to allow other’s to see the Christ in me. My journey to HIM began simply, I just talked to him about everything and I began to think of things in a new or different way, I felt a prescence…I hope that you can also give HIM a chance, don’t close yourself off from something that I know is real. And NO it is not a crutch. I can tell you right now that even though you choose to deney him, HE still loves you, and that is something that you can’t change, thank God. It may seem crazy to you, why would this person care..well I do. Someone I really care about is just like you. I think that my style of prayer is going to change, I have even though about going into bars and prisons, I really don’t know for sure…but I do know that something radical is happening to me. Trust me GOD is real, he is the highest high the coolest cool, the most awesome loving being there is. Now for me to remember who I use to be. I was at a very prayful stage in my life and I have fallen, the enemy wants me distracted, trust me Satan is real. He also wants you not to believe that he exists but he does. I know both sides, I know God and His power and Glory and I know the enemy Satan and the distractions and lies and all that he can bring. God wishes to give us HIS best, Satan looks to seek kill and destroy. Just some truth here today. TRUTH, that is what I am all about. Ask me anything I speak from my heart. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:11:12 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41304 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41311 CRAZY People alert! You can take your Satan, and your Jesus and keep them, I anit buying it. “ Ask me anything I speak from the heart.” How about you learn to speak from the head, there’s more nerve endings there. Then learn to edit yourself abit so you dont run on like a person with mental disorder. Dear Todd, I know you have a valid point, that I am not displaying tolerance. You are correct, I am doing so because there beliefs are hindering a group of peoples right for a pursuit of happiness. I will display tolerance when its not acting harmful to others. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:38:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41311 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41314 Gee Kham I wouldn’t expect anything less from you, not suprised. The thing that I do wonder is WHY are so many Atheists sooo angry, or at least they appaer to be. Am I correct on this. I am not trying to cahrge you up, just trying to get an anwer here. You spout of mean and demeaning comments to a person, attacking their character, WHY? I wouldn’t and couldn’t, so what is the difference here between US? I really wonder, could you tell me…I think I already know. PS. I don’t want to make you angry, I do want to get you to think. I want you to know what I know, I want you to have real peace! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:51:25 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41314 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41315 Wow how did I do that one? Writting fast I suppose Of is suppose to be out. I hate this debate…but things need to be said, coz people care. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:54:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41315 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41316 More nerve ending in the head is fuuny! Sorry my grammar, still needs work, oh well. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:57:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41316 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41317 But I am sure you can figure that out! Come on lighten up! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:00:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41317 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41318 I mean where does it come from? Does it compensate for the negativity? Kinda a unique mix, I must say. But a I have found it to be very real. It is often a sarcastic humor. But it can be the most delightful sense of humor too, when God isn’t brought into the equation. Isn’t it something that those that believe in God truely believe and those that don’t, truely don’t…just a crazy thought that I would put to use. But no matter what HE is REAL, HE LOVES YOU, end of story, very simple, very true. I hope one day you will know all that has been atated here is because people that believe are people who really do care. Some more deeply than others, some in ways they shouldn’t but do. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:08:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41318 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41319 atated=stated. I need to cool off too. This is definetly a emotional topic. One I never argued before, until recently. I have spoken my peace and my sincere convictions, done end of story. Best wishes are sent to everyone, believer or not. Guess what no typo’s, I proof read…YA! Finally!!! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:13:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41319 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41322 Kham, Oh, OK, so your intolerance is acceptable because you believe passionately in your cause, so that must make it OK. Thank you, Capt. Hypocrisy. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:34:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41322 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41325 Thank you. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:54:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41325 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41326 Todd – Thank you. I think tolerance is very important!! Hope – I agree with you, but provoking people and making assumptions isn’t our goal. I’m not taking myself too seriously. When the conversation changes from voicing opinions to being upset, calling names, and belittling, I stop. My saying anything further is not going to do anything but fuel the fire. I’ve said my peace! Think what you may, you are entitled, as am I. :-) Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:15:25 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41326 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41329 Wow you didn’t get what I meant at all, too bad I am too tired out to explain. But I never called anyone names I hope that you are stating this about me, I am far from that. But I do want to point one thing out to you…Your stance on abortion is weak, you believe in the sanctity of life or you don’t, I do. I protect ALL human life, simply because I LOVE my fellow man, do you? I apprecaite most fo what you wrote, but wishy washy faith is weak faith at best! Hey leave it to life being attacked by a fellow Christian for things I never said, maybe you need to take the time Chelsea to read my posts before you comment. I care about the people here and the last thing I am willing to do is spu hatred and mean comments. Read my posts before you comment, then speak TRUTH! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:26:50 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41329 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41331 speiinh-spelling. I need to go cool off, I am really ticked! I can take what an athesist dishes out, but a Christian, well as I already stated, not everyone is what they claim to be! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:31:44 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41331 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41332 At least I am the real deal, no BS about me. I simply care…maybe that is my problem. I bet it is. But I will lift up my sufferings for the good of others. Man if you want to be crucified, blog here. No wonder I am in the pit of hell right now, it’s those I find hypocritical my self that have helped me run away. But GOD still calls me. I learned one very good thing today, I am going to put my trust in God no in man, coz…false assumptions and are hell to the soul. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:42:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41332 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41335 If it is Hope who is writing that I was not accusing you of anything, but you were getting defensive. I’m sorry. I probably shouldn’t have said that. Others were saying some things about me. Including: “bronze age person is a modern mans peer” “The 21st century asked me to ask you to join it. “Just waiting for you to recommend bleeding them with leeches. Why are bible bangers the least Christian of Christians? A head scratcher for sheezy” “Your idea of history is jaded.” That’s fine. That’s what you think, but it doesn’t do anything for me, so I’m not replying to those things, is what my post was intended to say. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:06:13 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41335 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41340 Todd, As I stated, this is about Beliefs vs Rights. DO I have to cut and paste the bill of rights here? All Men are equal ect ect. Do you have the patriotism, the honor, the strength of character to stand behind you own nation’s constitution. If you vote against Gay marriage you are a bad person. End of story, you believe you have the right to impede another citizens pursuit of happiness. And why are Atheists angry? I would typing that one in on utube. The short answer is because we have to deal with simple minded people who KNOW that Magic is REAL, and they can FEEL it SO ITS REAL, and we have to deal with you idiots every day. People who twist history to what ever suits there needs, people who think that they are better than others due solely on the fact that the other people dont go to the same church as them. I’m done treating them with unearned respect, you treat them with kid gloves you get another Bush for president. I have a question for Christians, why do you care? You just believe your in a waiting room for heaven. SO why all the trouble making? Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:21:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41340 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41342 by the way, I am happily and faithfully married (to a woman) with one kid, dog, two cats, house payment, car payment. I own a small business here in east lansing. I know peace, I have no need or want for god, hence I know peace. If you think Atheist are so bad, WHY DONT WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS shall we? How about we start with Prison population by religion 76.6% – Christian 19.1% – No Religion/Refused to Answer 1.3% – Jewish 0.7% – Other/Not Specified 0.5% – Muslim/Islamic 0.5% – Buddhist 0.4% – Atheist 0.3% – Hindu 0.05% – Native American 0.04% – Bahai 0.027% – Sikh 0.026% – Scientology 0.01% – Santeria 0.005% – Rastafarian Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:40:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41342 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41344 How about by divorce rate Jews 30% Born-again Christians 27% Other Christians 24% Atheists, Agnostics 21% Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:42:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41344 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41345 Yea Christians sure seem to know peace dont they. Better extract that rafter from your own eye before you take the splinter out of mine. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:46:09 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41345 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41349 Kham, Yes, you sound very peaceful. LOL Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:41:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41349 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41353 Well, its like this. The Gays should be allowed to get married, they pay there taxes same as all of us. To deny them this right, is evil. To do nothing in the face of evil, Is evil. If I am indifferent to this topic, that would be evil. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:30 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41353 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41355 The SHIP OF FOOLS is here! The SHIP Is Sinking, Where are our rights? Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:44:09 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41355 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41357 Todd- Kham is very peaceful. He has the freedom to think for himself, to live life to the fullest, and to be a happy and moral human being. That’s atheism. Anyway, why is it so wrong to be married to the one you love, if they are of the same sex? It’s simply none of your business. I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. — Mohandas Gandhi Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:05:29 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41357 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41360 Christians who hate gays are making a mockery of their own savior, Jesus Christ. The grace they are willing to accept as followers of Christ is suddenly not good enough to extend to those they find offensive. It’s a double standard, based not in biblical truth but in fear and the desire for control. They make a mockery of Jesus by picking and choosing which lifestyle sins are covered by God’s grace and which ones are not. They do this by claiming that God’s grace covers their own lifestyle sins but not those of the homosexual. And they can do this because they don’t believe they have any lifestyle sins of their own. If you ask them about it, they’ll say things like, “I used to sleep around but I was forgiven of that sin and now I don’t do it anymore.” However, ask them if a homosexual can be saved by God’s grace, and they will say, “The gay man who does not turn from his homosexuality is choosing to live a lifestyle counter to God’s laws and is not, therefore, saved by grace.” What they conveniently forget is that 50% of them – those who count themselves among the Religious Right – are divorced, and more than 85% of those are remarried. What that means is, according to the Bible, that nearly 43% of the same people who condemn the gay man for his homosexuality choose to live in a lifestyle of adultery, a sin that ranks equal to homosexuality in God’s eyes. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:26:28 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41360 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41369 PEOPLE! Redouble your resources and focus on the horrific cap and tax bill being voted on tomorrow. This will do the same thing it did to Spain’s economy, as the blueprints are nearly identical: unemployment will double. After vast economic politics are taken care of, then we should expend energy on civil rights. Why should we tax our carbon emissions without assurances from India and China? Instead of Cap and Tax, let’s just levy sky high tariffs on China’s goods, because their coal power is much dirtier than ours. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:53:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41369 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41370 The Federal government’s money used to come from Here E-mail Congress, tell them to substitute tariffs for cap and tax. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:56:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41370 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41374 Rejection, Given the hatred and intolerance and bile Kahm has been spewing, I find it hard to believe anyone would view him as peaceful, free thinking, happy or moral. For the record, I haven’t said anything about gay marriage in this thread. In fact, I question the entire concept of state involvement in the matter. I’ve simply pointed out the hypocrisy of those who claim to be tolerant. By the way, why did you limit your question about “why is it so wrong to be married to the one you love” to same-sex marriage? Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:23:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41374 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41375 You make it sound like I’m marching people into ovens. You see hate where facts are. Where is my hypocrisy exactly? Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:37:12 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41375 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41377 Definitions of hypocrisy on the Web: * an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction * insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have * Hypocrisy (or the state of being a hypocrite) is the act of preaching a certain belief, religion or way of life, but not, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself. For example, an adult telling children not to smoke cigarettes, even though the adult smokes. … Just so we are clear on the definition. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:40:33 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41377 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41390 Why does this always happen in these discussions? Chelsea, Kham, Todd, Hope, and others; your beliefs about god and religion do not matter. Getting all emotional about these (dis)beliefs distracts us from the real matter. Should the civil contract of marriage be extended to same-sex couples? This is an argument where common law and constitutional protections are to be invoked, not spiritual speculation or heretical sarcasm. Again, it’s about the law and the legal argument is an easy one. Equality is same-sex marriage. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:37:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41390 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41392 Kham, Oh, we’re very clear on the definition of hypocrisy. And you’ve provided several examples here to illustrate. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:25:54 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41392 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41397 Todd, Please cut and paste it. Explain yourself. I’ve answered every question, yet you try to distance yourself. Answer my question(s) Todd. Ive answered yours, yet no one will answer mine. Theres this huge double standard here. Please, with sugar on it. My best guess is this issue, that Ive been simplifying for you. I’ll try and explain why tolerance to something that shouldn’t be tolerated is bad. (ps) I’ll return to being nice when you guys stop trying to beat up people who are just trying to get married. Seriously Your walking down the street, you see a fist fight. You walk right on by because you are soo tolerant. Is that enough? I hope so, the next step is longer and it involves crayons. Dearest Paul, I am sorry for getting alittle off track here. Your last post was right on the head. I’m trying to help, and being a christian until I was old enough to think for myself (12yo) I know what these people will throw, and its pretty easy to win an argument when the other side has NOTHING. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:52:35 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41397 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41398 Um, darn, um whats that (ps) doing wayyy up there, kinda defeats the whole readability of that post Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:54:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41398 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41399 Kham, As I stated earlier, I’ve not said anything in this thread about gay marriage and in fact question the entire premise of government being involved in marriage to begin with, ergo I don’t owe you any “answers” to anything. I’ve simply pointed out the hypocrisy of yourself and others regarding your intolerant behavior while advocating for tolerance. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:01:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41399 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41400 Todd, Please cut and paste it. Explain yourself. I’ve answered every question, yet you try to distance yourself. Answer my question(s) Todd. Ive answered yours, yet no one will answer mine. Theres this huge double standard here. Please, with sugar on it. My best guess is this issue, that Ive been simplifying for you. I’ll try and explain why tolerance to something that shouldn’t be tolerated is bad. (Your walking down the street, you see a fist fight. You walk right on by because you are soo tolerant. Is that enough? I hope so, the next step is longer and it involves crayons. Dearest Paul, I am sorry for getting alittle off track here. Your last post was right on the head. I’m trying to help, and being a christian until I was old enough to think for myself (12yo) I know what these people will throw, and its pretty easy to win an argument when the other side has NOTHING. ps) I’ll return to being nice when you guys stop trying to beat up people who are just trying to get married. Seriously Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:01:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41403 Todd where have I advocated tolerance good sir? Are you sure that you understand the word hypocrisy, because I am not. If you argue against me with a Long story of Jack and the bean stalk when I am talking about a legal point. Yes I am going to rip you a new one and send you back to the kids table. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:06:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41403 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41405 Kham, Is that more of that “peaceful?” Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:39:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41405 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41407 wait. seriously. since when did plain old common sense and good judgment get over shaddowed by side ways political agendas? gay “marriage” is such a stupid concept. I’m amazed people even discuss it. come on, people. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:55:39 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41407 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41412 Dear Grad 08, Explain why gay marriage is a stupid concept. “Plain old common sense” to me dictates they have every right that you have. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:19:12 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41412 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41413 Todd, The only examples of hatred and intolerance I’ve seen here is from christians, not Kham. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:22:22 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41413 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41414 Let’s see what Christ has to say about this subject: “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. “ Matthew 7:1-2 And: “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants. When he began the reckoning, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents; and as he could not pay, his lord ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him, `Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ And out of pity for him the lord of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. But that same servant, as he went out, came upon one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and seizing him by the throat he said, `Pay what you owe.’ So his fellow servant fell down and besought him, `Have patience with me, and I will pay you.’ He refused and went and put him in prison till he should pay the debt. When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their lord all that had taken place. Then his lord summoned him and said to him, `You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.” Matthew 18:23-35 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:26:16 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41414 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41415 …Of you and Jack and you are the bad guy and Jack is the good guy. I was rooting for Jack then too. Hey I even called you on it. Why do you also say things like “Would of been nice, kind and intelligent”. in others posts? What is up with you? Gosh you are cute. You’re wife better be keeping a close eye on you. I know you. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:35:50 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41415 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41416 I guess some people resort to insults instead of participating in a conversation. “Gee Kham this reminds me…” is a perfect example. As I was saying… It is a double standard. It is a mockery. If Christ took their sins to the cross and became an adulterer through propitiation before burying that sin in the ground, then Christ also took the gay person’s sin to the cross and became a homosexual before burying that sin in the ground. The Religious Right, and everyone else, should either accept that God’s grace covers all of us, including those living in sinful lifestyles, or that none of us are covered. They should either condemn their remarried members or shut up about those among us who are gay. But they don’t. And we are left to wonder why. A logical explanation is that these Christians are afraid of the unknown and they want to control it. Heterosexuals have often been uncomfortable with homosexuals. The term “fag” is used to insult one’s manliness; and “dyke” to insult one’s femininity. Society in general has not been kind to its homosexual members. But with the addition of Fundamentalist Religious fervor, and the ability to rationalize their own sins away, the Religious Right have turned the fear of homosexuality into a holy war against a portion of the population. Of course, the Religious Right claim they are not trying to hurt anyone. They use phrases like, “We must love the sinner but hate the sin.” But as Einstein said and Christ demonstrated, “You cannot simultaneously say that you love someone and use your power against them.” Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:41:19 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41416 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41418 Rejection, Of course you wouldn’t see it. You’re just as intolerant as he is. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:43:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41418 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41435 Why is same-sex marriage even a problem for people? If your church does not allow homosexual marriages, a law making it legal for gay couples to marry does not force you to allow a gay wedding in your church. Just as I, not being Jewish for instance, could not expect to get married in an orthodox synagogue. Making gay marriage legal provides people the right to enter into a license agreement together, legal in the eyes of the state, that provides them the rights and privileges identified by the state for a married couple. It makes it legal to perform a gay marriage in a church or place of worship that allows homosexuality, or a properly authorized legal venue. It does not force gay marriage down the throats of people and churches who don’t want to perform it. So why does allowing people the legal right to marry make you feel so threatened? What does it take away from you? How does it hurt you? Don’t hide behind the excuse that “it’s a sin” because there are a LOT of things identified by the Christian church as a sin that I notice are not the target of any major effort to legally ban, such as the earlier mentioned concept of divorce. On a slightly different note regarding this back-and-forth about who is tolerant and who is not, here is a very simple guide: if you advocate withholding a basic civil right to a citizen, YOU ARE INTOLERANT OF THAT CITIZEN. And you deserve to be called out on your opinion. Having a religion is a basic civil right, but promoting beliefs of that religion that violate the civil rights of others, is not. Marriage, the kind of marriage that is legalized by a license from the state you live in, is a basic civil right. Again: the legalization of gay marriage does NOT mean you have to perform a gay marriage in your church if your beliefs do not condone it, just as a church that holds beliefs I do not follow has the right to reject my request to perform a marriage ceremony for me. So since it does not hurt you, and does not force you or your church to do anything different than you already do, and since the contract of marriage as recognized by state license is a basic civil right, how can you seek to deny that right to people? And if you do, how can you call yourself or the religion whose beliefs you are attempting to spread, tolerant? Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:42:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41435 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41436 I never claimed to be a pacifist. Todd, your saying nothing, you back up nothing you type, and you dont understand the meaning of words you use… your pretty much a waste of space in this thread. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:57:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41436 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41438 Kham, Is bold type another example of you being “peaceful?” You really need to seek help for all that anger. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:03:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41438 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41439 Oceana, You raise some interesting points. I’d have to disagree with your premise, however, that marriage is a “basic civil right” if you’re going to qualify that right as obtaining a license from the state. Government is incapable of granting anyone any type of right. Rights exist in spite of government, not because of it. That’s why I stated several times here that I question the whole concept of state involvement in the matter. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:07:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41439 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41440 Todd, if anyone is angry here its you. At best I am frustrated with your lack of intelligence. For one thats not bold type, please for the love of your god, pay attention to the language that we all agreed upon. I never said I was peaceful, I said I know peace. Why are we talking about it anyway, its not even the issue here. Your nick picking on a non topic is very Karl Rove like. I still am trying to figure out if your For Gay marriage or not. How about you answer me that one little question. The question is again: Is Todd for Gay Marriage Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:31:39 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41440 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41443 To “Hope”. What do you know of Jesus? The dude wasn’t married and hung out with twelve guys. He had the good sense, I guess, to say no to the companionship of a permanent squeeze. Hope, I suggest you read up on the women’s political party in Sweden which is asking for the abolishment of marriage, in their opinion an archaic institution. But then, in Sweden, every citizen is valued and the baby is given every opportunity to succeed. The “family” here is trapped in a raising-nurturing-expense driven hoax which results in unhappy people. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:56:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41443 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41448 Can’t you believe in your god AND let gays get married? Is that asking so much? I really dont want to convert you, I doubt anyone really wants too. If it severs some purpose ( to make you feel better) than thats fine, until you take it too far. Just let others enjoy there civil rights. Please. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:42:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41448 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41449 All religions and belief systems claim miracles. Hope, if Jesus returns, as you expect, he will beat a hasty retreat after he sees what you folks have done “in his name’. I’ll take Buddhism any day over the Saints and Sinners crowd. I expect that a real Jesus would embrace all faith systems and all people. Thanks be for Freedom of Religion, which also implies Freedom From Religion. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:08:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41449 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41452 My turn after reading both sides of the story. many of you still don’t get it One being looked at like you’re a second class citizen. 2 I want my partner by my bed side if I fall ill or become injured and unable to discuss my wishes . Also there’s that little inherent issue , the fact that I could lose my job because of my privet life ! Oh that’s already happened ! And the fact that I do contribute to society. by paying the highest in taxes NO right offs for domestic partners. But there’s ones for the over breeding straights that cant keep there own marriage in check . There is no reason that you can give me that my partner should fight in court after losing me to keep the house that we both paid for .. Insurance, pension ,retirement benefits ,inheritance , etc. is another issue . Call it what you want I for one would love to be treated equal in the contrary that I served in the military for.. Look at it this way my partner and I could have stayed in the closet and married you daughter’s instead ..By the way we live our life very concretively and I highly drought that you could pick us out of a crowed, it’s the safest way from bulling ,harassment ,injury ,or death , just to name a few ..yours truly Decorated U.S. Vet Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:04:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41452 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41453 We do get it, Jim. If the hate mongering bible thumpers control your destiny, and they use all biblical obscure passages that only they are able to translate, then some folks are up the creek. Hopefully, and thank you President Obama, we can escape the insular world view of the Christians represented best by George Bush and his ilk and march on hand in hand with the world. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:41:30 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41453 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41459 Don S. you stated that “ If the hate mongering bible thumpers control your destiny, and they use all biblical obscure passages that only they are able to translate, then some folks are up the creek.” I understand what you are saying, in part. Yes you want gay marriage and you want to see them have “civil rights”, as you believe they should recieve. Okay as I already wrote Kham, you can see I am looking into this matter, myself. NOT all Christians thump their bible. I don’t thump mine and I hate when someone thumps their bible at me…Simply because all that thumping makes alot of noise and I can’t hear the message that is trying to be said..(my crazy humor), but it is true, right! Jesus would be handling things so differently. than us mere humans,…. man do we know how to make a mess out of things. This subject is very intense, I see how it brings out the anger in people who are fighting on the behalf of gay marriage and at the same time I see how the other sde feels, trying to keep marriage sacred. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:56:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41459 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41463 With the divorce rate the way it is, its not really sacred anymore, if it ever was. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:07:33 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41463 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41466 Yes Kham, you are correct on that. Marriage is something people have to work on. And when your feelings aren’t met and you aren’t feeling seen, because your spouse travels so much, or whatever the situation, you need to speak up. Communication is KEY. Take time to compliment one another. Take time to notice one another. Take time to be romantic. Take time to be playful and inquire one another in all ways, if you know what I mean,(sexually). Don’t allow your sex life to become a chore, or boring or stale…it can happen so easily. Explore one another, together…and women tell your husbands all your needs, so you are heard and you are seen. And husbands tell your wives your needs, and desires and dreams. Grow together, NOT apart. If it is old make it new again. It takes work, but something old can become new..if you want it to. Then date and men show romance..VERY IMPORTANT! Men need respect and then they show love. Women need love and then they show repect. I wish the christian community talked more openly about sex. I think alot of marriages would be saved if they would. Lately that is where I am at…someone came into my life, someone who swept me off my feet. I didn’t expect it..so I had to tell my husband look at me, or you are going to lose me to the arms of another man..he has been looking ever since. But I will confess, I have to work at letting go of my feelings for someone else. I am gratefeul I never crossed the line, but it is painful and I think of him all the time. So know I have even greater compassion for those that lose their marraiges becasue they didn’t communicate. If you aren’t, you better start communicating, you will put yourself in a vulnerable situation and when that charming funny romantic guy, who makes you laugh comes along..watch out. At leaset, I am more beautiful now because of him, and I also feel he has helped me in many ways and saved me from myself. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:27:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41466 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41467 Georgia Tech “White & Gold” (Played after a touchdown) So then it’s up with the White and Gold Down with the Red and the Black Georgia Tech is out for a victory We’ll drop our battle axe on Georgia’s head, CHOP! When we meet her our team will surely beat her Down on old Georgia’s farm there’ll be no sound When our bow wows rip through the air When the battle is over Georgia’s team will be found With the Yellow Jackets swarming around. “Ramblin’ Wreck” (Played after the PAT) I’m a Ramblin’ Wreck from Georgia Tech and a hell of an engineer, A helluva, helluva, helluva, hell of an engineer, Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear, I’m a Ramblin’ Wreck from Georgia Tech and a hell of an engineer. Oh, if I had a daughter, sir, I’d dress her in White and Gold, And put her on the campus, to cheer the brave and bold. But if I had a son, sir, I’ll tell you what he’d do. He would yell, “To Hell with Georgia,” like his daddy used to do. Oh, I wish I had a barrel of rum and sugar three thousand pounds, A college bell to put it in and a clapper to stir it around. I’d drink to all good fellows who come from far and near. I’m a ramblin’, gamblin’, hell of an engineer. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:27:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41467 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41468 Purdue “Hail Purdue” To Your Call Once More We Rally; Alma Mater Hear Our Praise; Where The Wabash Spreads Its Valley; Filled With Joy Our Voices Raise. Form The Skies In Swelling Echoes Come The Cheers That Tell The Tale Of Your Vict’ries And Your Heroes, Hail Purdue! We Sing All Hail! Chorus: Hail, Hail To Old Purdue! All Hail To Our Old Gold And Black! Hail, Hail To Old Purdue! Our Friendship May She Never Lack. Ever Grateful, Ever True, Thus We Raise Our Song Anew Of The Days We’ve Spent With You, All Hail Our Own Purdue! Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:30:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41468 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41469 Auburn “War Eagle!” War… Eagle, fly down the field. Ever to conquer, never to yield. War… Eagle, fearless and true. Fight on, you orange and blue. Go! Go! Go! On to vict’ry, strike up the band. Give ‘em hell, give ‘em hell; Stand up and yell, Hey! War…Eagle win for Auburn, Power of Dixie Land! Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:31:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41469 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41470 “Bear Down, Arizona” Let’s Cheer for Arizona Let’s Raise our voices high Let’s Cheer for Arizona The Bear Down Battle Cry Let’s Cheer our team to Victory Let’s Cheer our team to Fame Let’s Cheer for Arizona For Spirit Wins the Game Bear Down Arizona Bear Down Red and Blue Bear Down Arizona Hit ‘em hard, Let ‘em know who’s who Bear Down Arizona Bear Down Red and Blue Go! Go! Wildcats Go! Arizona, Bear Down! Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:32:43 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41470 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41472 Texas Tech “Fight Raiders Fight” Fight Raiders fight, Fight Raiders fight, Fight for the school we love so dearly We’ll hit ‘em high We’ll hit ‘em low Push that ball across the goal, TECH, FIGHT, FIGHT! We’ll praise her name Boost her to fame Fight for the Scarlet and the Black We will hit ‘em, we will wreck ‘em Hit ‘em, wreck ‘em Texas Tech And the victory bells will ring out. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:33:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41472 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41477 You are 100% correct! It doesn’t reflect a sacred marriage, very insightful. I hope we all can think about our marriage and our kids, before we give up on something that was meant to last a lifetime. Thanks again Kham, great question. Hope Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:10:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41477 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41478 Minnesota “Minnesota Rouser” Minnesota, hats off to thee, To thy colors true we shall ever be, Firm and strong, united are we. Rah! Rah! Rah! for Ski-U-Mah, RAH! RAH! RAH! RAH! Rah for the U. of M. Minnesota, hats off to thee, To thy colors true we shall ever be, Firm and strong, united are we. Rah! Rah! Rah! for Ski-U-Mah, RAH! RAH! RAH! RAH! Rah for the U. of M. M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A! Minnesota! Minnesota! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah GOPHERS! Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:14:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41478 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41480 To those who this article was written about…I wish you well. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:24:44 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41480 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41487 I am sorry I didn’t answer your question.“Hope, if Jesus returns, as you expect, he will beat a hasty retreat after he sees what you folks have done “in his name’.” All I can tell you Don S. is that Jesus is so far above us, I am sure that HE can handle anything and it will be done correctly, the creator knows his created-us. I am sure that it pains HIM to see how many things have been contrbuted to religion, that weren’t the true faith at all. HE is still being crucified by false teachings. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:50:27 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41487 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41488 To Kham and Don S., I hope that you have seen my my sincerity in know Christ and wanting HIM in my life. I have tried to be real. I have fallen away and I am trying to work my way back to him. I just feel like I am stuck on PAUSE. I want to thank you for the questions, I will have a purpose to go to HIM with my questions and by doing so I will be seeking HIM again. It use to be so natural for me, so second nature. But the last 3 months have really changed me. I know that some of the things that I am questioning about faith are things that I have had in the back of my mind for quit some time, I need to find my own answers and own them. I don’t like people telling me how to think. I don’t mind guidance, but it has to be by own, I claim, I live it and I die it, to have it as my own, my faith that is. I need strength, you don’t believe in the enenmy, but I do. I know the complete cahnge of mind and spirit that has happened to me. I hardly think of GOD. I use to think of him millions of times a day, thanking him for everything..I had real JOY. I kinda am getting by right now and an emptiness exists. But I still can’t seem to get to where I was, or where I should be. I am hoping that your questions will send me to searching, and the searching will send me back to Jesus. You see that I love HIM. You see I know HE is real. I just don’t get myself right now? So funny thing it may be an atheist that brought my FAITH back home to me. Thank you, so much, Hope. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:18:22 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41488 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41492 Basic overview of Fight Song Lyrics We have a large and extensive database of over 400 College Fight Songs. Songs from the SEC, ACC, Big 10, and much more. You can find the Fighting Irish, Seminoles, Hurricanes, Trojans, Buckeyes, Bulldogs, Texas, North Carolina, Volunteers, Bruins, and the Gator’s Orange and Blue Chomp. Feel free to visit all colleges, even your rivals. Lyrics are listed alphabetically by school name. Do not include the word “university” in your search. For example, the University of Florida will be listed under the letter F. Washington State Cougars Author: Fight Song Lyrics Author’s Website: http://www.fightsonglyrics.com Added: July 8, 2006 Fight, fight, fight for Washington State! Win the victory, Win the day for Crimson and Gray! Best in the West We know you’ll all do your best, So on, on, on, on! Fight to the end! Honor and glory you must win! So fight, fight, fight for Washington State and Victory! “All Hail to Washington State” All hail to Washington State, Her Cougar Spirits inspire us. Praises we’ll gladly sing, To honor her today. All hail to Washington State, Her glory leads on before us. Courage will win for Crimson and the Gray. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:55:22 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41492 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41494 I have enjoyed reading all these blogs. I never checked this paper out before now. I accidently ran across this website, I am not a college kid, but I certaintly enjoy the articles and especially the various blogs. Thanks to all who contributed. You have certaintly made my day interesting. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:21:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41494 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41501 I have given this article some thought. I was wondering if anyone else thought that some people are born this way,while others are a result of lifes circumstances. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:05:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41501 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41512 “A marriage is between only one man and one woman,” she said. “It doesn’t mean you have four women together and that defines a family. It’s been like that forever. It’s just that in recent years, people want to change that.”… Many religions stopped practicing polygamy when the law forbade it. So whats the difference of making them be tolerant of same-sex marriage that takes place at the state level in the state’s courts? Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:34:40 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41512 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41517 Loved the fight songs. Here’s another one I liked a lot back in the day. From the Hall of Montazuma To the shore of Tripoli; We fought our country’s battles In the air, on land, and sea; First to fight for right and freedom And to keep our honor clean; We are proud to claim the title Of United States Marines. Also like Purdue, alma mater an all that. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:22:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41517 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41519 These songs have such a theme of honor to them, very patriot in theme. You are so cute and so funny. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:32:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41519 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41520 They were posted one after another how could that possibly be, minutes wise, I mean…I can’t figure out how they were copied and posted so quickly, really suprises me. Just part of the mystery of a brillant mind I guess. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:48:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41520 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41522 Its only peoples civil rights we are talking about here, why not post a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with it to cheapen the thread, and I have another idea, why not just leave them there, instead of deleting those worthless post. Yay! Lets rethink womens voting, American slavery, then 3/5ths vote! While posting fight songs ! Yay ! Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:07:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41522 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41524 You really need to run for office. You are a shoe in. Aren’t you? Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:19:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41524 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41526 I am trying to be open, I do feel for those that are gay and in a committed relationship. However that is not often the case. I have begun to study the subject by going to gotquestions.org. I can type in any question and I am given many resources. To summarise some of what I have read: “ According to the Bible, marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Gay marriage/same-sex marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. As Christians, we are not to condone or ignore sin. Rather, we are to share the love of God and the forgiveness of sins that is available to all, including homosexuals, through Jesus Christ. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) and contend for truth with “gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15). As Christians, when we make a stand for truth and the result is personal attacks, insults, and persecution, we should remember the words of Jesus: “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you” (John 15:18-19). I am struggling with this myself, I don’t want to lead people to sin , but I feel for them too. This whole subject is gut wrenching for someone who believes and really needs to find their own truth and conviction. I have a long road still to travel. I am not willing to turn my back on my faith. I am not willing to make a snap judgement either. Kham look what this whole thing is doing to me and respect that I am not closed minded..but that in the end I will look for truth. PS. This isn’t what I call a picnic! Hope Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:43:50 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41526 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41530 Debate Dogma Hes much more eloquent than I on, well, probably everything. Just remember when you vote there are people, your very neighbors who get affected by it. On a personal sidenote, I was taken aback by the decorated vets post. For some reason I never considered that angle, and I think its compelling. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:17:34 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41530 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41531 I will take what you said into consideration. Please think about at least some of what I have shared with you, as you once so politely said..Please. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:26:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41531 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41532 “On Wisconsin” On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, plunge right through that line. Run the ball clear down the field, touchdown sure this time. On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, fight on for her fame. Fight, fellows, fight, fight, fight, we’ll win this game. On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, stand up Badgers sing. “Forward” is our driving spirit, loyal voices ring. On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, raise her glowing flame. Stand, fellows, let us now salute her name. “If You Want to be a Badger (Badger Ballad)” If you want to be a badger, Just come along with me, By the bright shining light, By the light of the moon. If you want to be a Badger, Just come along with me, By the bright shining light the moon. (Chorus) By the light of the moon, By the light of the moon, By the bright shining light, By the light of the moon. If you want to be a Badger, Just come along with me, By the bright shining light of the moon. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:34:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41532 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41533 “The Iowa Fight Song” The word is fight, fight, fight for Iowa Let every loyal Iowan sing The word is fight, fight, fight for Iowa Until the walls and rafters ring. (Go Hawks!) Come on and cheer, cheer, cheer for Iowa We’re gonna cheer until we hear the final gun The word is fight, fight, fight for Iowa Until the game is won. “On Iowa” On Iowa proudly at the fore On Iowa on for evermore Ev’ry loyal son will give A Rousing toast to you Ev’ry loyal daughter loves you true On Iowa with your wealth untold A heritage to us you did unfold Love of family, love of friend Love of country too Makes us proud for what you stand Our Dear Old Gold. Iowa! Iowa! Iowa! Iowa! I-O-W-A! Fight, Iowa, never, never yield Fight, Iowa, fight right down the field Get in the game and watch the ball Be a fighting Man Hit ‘er hard, give Iowa all you can. Fight, Iowa, you’ll be sure to hold We’re with you with the pep And love of old. Fight for family, Fight for friend Fight for country too But fight hard today and win For Dear old Gold. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:36:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41533 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41534 Illinois Fighting Illini “Illinois Loyalty” We’re loyal to you Illinois, We’re “Orange and Blue,” Illinois, We’ll back you so stand ‘Gainst the best in the land, For we know you have sand, Illinois, Rah! Rah! So crack out that ball Illinois, We’re backing you all Illinois; Our team is our fame protector, On! boys, for we expect a vict’ry from you Illinois! Che-he! Che-ha! Che-ha-ha-ha! Go Illini go! Che-he! Che-ha! Che-ha-ha-ha! Go Illini go! Illinois! Illinois! Illinois! Fling out that dear old flag of Orange and Blue, Lead on your sons and daughters, fighting for you; Like men of old, on giants placing reliance, shouting defiance Oskee wow-wow! Amid the broad green plains that nourish our land, For honest Labor and for Learning we stand, And unto thee we pledge our heart and hand, Dear Alma Mater Illinois. “Oskee Wow Wow” Old Princeton yells her Tiger, Wisconsin her Varsity, And they give the same old RAH! RAH! RAH! For each university, But the yell that always thrills me, And fills my heart with joy, Is the good old Oskee-wow-wow That they yell at Illinois. Chorus: Oskee-wow-wow Illinois! Our eyes are all on you. Oskee-wow-wow Illinois! Wave your Orange and your Blue, RAH! RAH! As the team trots out before you, Every man stand up and yell, Back the team to gain a victory, Oskee-wow-wow Illinois! HEY! Teddy Roosevelt may be famous, And his name you often hear, But it’s heroes on the football field Each college man holds dear. We think with pride of Roberts, Artie Hall and Heavy, too. Oskee-wow-wow for the wearers Of the Orange and the Blue! Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:38:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41534 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41535 Kham, Civil rights? So anyone who is not admitted to any institution they wish is having their civil rights violated? Does that mean, for example, anyone with an opinion about public policy should be allowed to be a member of the legislature if they so wish, regardless of whether or not they meet the legal prerequisites? Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:38:44 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41535 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41536 YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When all else fails…laugh!!!!! Love the fight songs.love.love.love! Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:39:51 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41536 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41538 Your #1 fan again. You rock and Kham rolls!!!! I love some good rock and roll. I know that Iggy pop is the man you like to put on the stero! Get rockin and that’s an order…after all I can’t get these fight songs out of my head! Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:45:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41538 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41539 What I will miss tomorrow…gotta work to bad for me. ;( Just don’t forget the thread. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:47:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41539 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41541 Not that it is bad, but how about some new articles, what is everyone alseep? Time for your morning cup of coffee. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:04:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41541 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41547 Todd, Am I supposed to answer your questions, and you get to Not answer mine? Is that how its supposed to work? Go back to the kids table before you get hurt again. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:43:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41547 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41548 Kham, I already answered your question. Several times. Is this your way of stalling? Just ask for a timeout if this is over your head. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:02:36 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41548 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41549 You do realize the whole post is right above us right? That we can scroll up and look and see that you have done no such thing. SO far everything you have accused me of, you have been guilty of, not me (hypocrisy, stalling, and being in over your head to be specific) All that aside, assume that I am someone with a child’s intellect, and tell me Is Todd for Gay Marriage. Because it looks like your against it. If I could ask another it would be Why do you care? I cant imagine and change in my life whether or not gays get married or not. I just think everyone should be allowed to chase happiness in whatever form they wish ( as long as its not afflicting the rights of others) Yet you seem to have a problem with that. Explain yourself. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:28:48 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41549 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41550 I think Todd doesn’t care, I think he just likes to fight with me ( for some reason) Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:39:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41550 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41552 Kham, I’ll type more slowly this – the third or fourth – time. I question the entire concept of government involvement in marriage. Now can you answer the “civil rights” claim? Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:04:31 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41552 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41553 Your answer is totally invalid, I asked two questions. The first question was a yes or no type question. And the second question was more of an essay type. Todd are you even reading my post dude? Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:18:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41553 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41554 : Does that mean, for example, anyone with an opinion about public policy should be allowed to be a member of the legislature if they so wish, regardless of whether or not they meet the legal prerequisites? Is this ugly analogy what you are referring too? Allow me to use one to explain why yours is so bad. Your analogy is likening a pocket watch to a single cell. Both have moving parts, both are a sum of many parts,that the sum is greater than the parts, and I could go on. But what makes this analogy bad is the fact that they have many specific defining characteristics. Size, composition, the fact that one is alive and one is not. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:31:17 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41554 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41555 OK, I’ll take it you can’t answer the question. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:38:56 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41555 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41556 They are Tax payers, they are functioning citizens that you interact with, they are your neighbors, they are your neighbors kids. The state has a legal contract in place already to make a legal union of two people. Since they pay taxes and are, legal, law abiding citizens of the US they have a right to ALL of the services due to any citizen. Including the legal union of two people. If that anit CFC I am done talking to you. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:51:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41556 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41557 Is it just me or was that like trying to talk to Karl Rove? Seriously, thats a text book definition of a troll, and I have been breaking the rule. Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used as an ad hominem strategy to discredit an opposing position by attacking its proponent. Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer’s motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning: “Please do not feed the trolls”. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:57:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41557 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41558 Even I am not evil enough to hate my own daughter, and deprive her of her right to pursue happiness. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:20:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41558 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41559 ….After all it could just be a phase….. or maybe I she could get a different pool boy… Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:29:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41559 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41560 Kham, That’s a pretty long walk around the barn to avoid the question. But I think you’re being too hard on yourself. You aren’t a troll … at least not on here. Maybe in real life. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:52:36 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41560 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41562 Do you wanna Job there Todd? With your skills and reasoning I could be President again! Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:04:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41562 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41564 Bowling Green Falcons “Forward Falcons” (played after a score) Forward Falcons! Forward Falcons! Fight for victory, Show our spirit, Make them fear it, Fight for ol’ B-G. Forward Falcons! Forward Falcons! Make the contest keen, Hold up the fame Of our mighty name And win for Bowling Green! “Ay Ziggy Zoomba” (played after a win) Ay Ziggy Zoomba Zoomba Zoomba Ay Ziggy Zoomba Zoomba Ze Ay Ziggy Zoomba Zoomba Zoomba Ay Ziggy Zoomba Zoomba Zi Roll along, you B-G warriors Roll along, and win for B-G-S-U. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:22:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41564 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41565 Ohio State Buckeyes “Across the Field” Fight the team across the field Show them Ohio’s here, Set the earth reverberating With a mighty cheer, Rah! Rah! Rah! Hit them hard and see how they fall, Never let that team get the ball, Hail, hail, the gang’s all here, So let’s win that old conference now. “Buckeye Battle Cry” In old Ohio there’s a team That’s known throughout the land Eleven warriors brave and bold, Whose fame will ever stand. And when the ball goes over, Our cheers will reach the sky, Ohio Field will hear again The Buckeye Battle Cry! Drive, Drive on down the field, Men of the scarlet and gray; Don’t let them through that line, We’ve got to win this game today, COME ON OHIO! Smash through to victory, We cheer you as we go! Our honor defend we will fight to the end for OHIO! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:23:51 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41565 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41566 Oregon State Beavers “Hail to Old OSU” OSU, our hats are off to you Beavers, Beavers, fighters through and through We’ll root for every man, we’ll cheer for every stand That’s made for old OSU. Watch our team go tearing down the field Men of iron, their strength will never yield. Hail, hail, hail, hail Hail to old OSU. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:25:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41566 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41568 Genesis 2:21-24 and Matthew 19:4-6 shed no light on marriage being between one man and one woman… they talk about consummation, the creation of life, making a child. And we all know that you need at least a piece of a man and a woman to create a child… duh. And what is marriage anyway? Is it a creation of society? The church? The government? Maybe it did start in the church however how many heterosexual couples get married in a church? In Delaware the rate dropped 18.4% in 6 years. Even the straights are pulling away from the tradition of the origin of marriage. So, I ask, why does religion weigh so heavily on the topic of gay marriage?! Speaking personally I don’t want to be married in your church anyway, because if God does exist and really does hate me for what I do, I would prefer to live to see my wedding night. Just saying. I guess I don’t understand what is so wrong with us gays that make so many people fear us. You like us as people until you find out were gay… good logic. In the midst of your bickering ladies and gents just remember that we aren’t asking for you to get to know us, or accept us, or even like us we just would like the capability to provide, like you do, for a family that we love, in the same way you love yours. We just want to be equals. That’s all. Peace, Love, and a single white glove. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:15:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41568 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41570 Nebraska Huskers “Hail Varsity” (Played after a touchdown) Hail to the team! The stadium rings as everyone sings The Scarlet and Cream Cheers for a victory echo our loyalty So on mighty men! The eyes of the land upon every hand Are looking at you Fight on to victory Hail to the men of Nebraska U! “There is No Place Like Nebraska” (Played after the PAT) There is no place like Nebraska Dear old Nebraska U Where the girls are the fairest The boys are the squarest Of any old place that I knew There is no place like Nebraska Where they’re all true blue We’ll all stick together in all kinds of weather For dear old Nebraska U. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:32:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41570 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41571 Notre Dame Fighting Irish “Notre Dame Victory March” Rally sons of Notre Dame Sing her glory and sound her fame Raise her Gold and Blue And cheer with voices true: Rah, rah, for Notre Dame We will fight in every game, Strong of heart and true to her name We will ne’er forget her And will cheer her ever Loyal to Notre Dame. Cheer, cheer for Old Notre Dame, Wake up the echoes cheering her name, Send a volley cheer on high, Shake down the thunder from the sky! What though the odds be great or small, Old Notre Dame will win over all, While her loyal sons are marching Onward to victory! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:33:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41571 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41572 North Carolina Tar Heels Here comes Carolina-lina. Here comes Carolina-lina. We hail from NCU. We’ve got the spirit in it. We’ve got the team to win it. We wear the colors white and blue, So it’s fight, fight, fight for Carolina As Davie did in days of old As we gather round the Well Cheer that Tar Heel team like hell For the glory of NCU. I’m a Tar Heel born. I’m a Tar Heel bred. And when I die I’ll be a Tar Heel dead. So it’s rah rah Carolina-lina. Rah rah Carolina-lina. Rah rah Carolina-lina—rah rah rah! “Carolina Victory” (played after a victory) There’ll be a Carolina Victory, When cross the field our foe has fled. Cheer our team to victory, For we are Tar Heels born and bred (Rah! Rah! Rah!) Glory, Glory UNC, Our hearts will live with thee. Fight! Fight! Fight! for the blue and white Are rolling to victory! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:34:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41572 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41573 Wyoming Cowboys “Ragtime Cowboy Joe” He always sings raggy music to his cattle as he swings Back and forward in his saddle on a horse (pretty good horse!) He’s a syncopated gaiter And you out to hear the meter to the roar of his repeater How they run (yes run!) When they hear him come, because the western folks all know, He’s a high fallutin’, rootin’ tootin’ Son of a gun from old Wyoming Ragtime Cowboy, (talk about your cowboy), Ragtime Cowboy Joe. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:36:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41573 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41574 …before heading to work. I viewed some of the video, Debate Dogma. I watched a few of the videos. But I do not understand your comment “I was taken aback by the decorated vets post. For some reason I never considered that angle, and I think its compelling.” Maybe you could clarify what you were trying to say. I have more insights into what an atheist believes. I see that you believe that there are rules of reason and you believe that those like myself the religious)ignore those rules. You also want freedom from religion. You also believe that my beliefs in God and religion are insulting, and that those such as myself need to provide evidence or expect mockery. A sad statement that was made was a God that committs murder in the dessert. Atheists also feel that the religous Obey God or Parish, submit or parish, and that eternal punishments are childish. Okay, I showed you I am viewing the video/videos. Honestly I am beginning to understand the mindset of an atheist. But I am very puzzled as to why they have to have proof for everything…why no hope for faith at all? How do they think that we came into existence, don’t you see how beautifully and uniquely we are created? Please before you answer me, do it kindly. I find anger to be an undertone or overtly clearly seen. I believe that it is because an atheist feels discriminated, because they go against most of what our society believes, per religious beliefs. So there is this anger to express oneself and be accepted for one’s beliefs. I feel for you and for them. I want you so desperately to believe. Why, because, I know Christ is real. I wasn’t raised with any religious beliefs, never went to church growing up and I now believe, because HE led me to himself, but I was also searching. You on the other hand mentioned you were raised Chritian and at the age of 12, rejected your faith. I wonder how could that be. I hope someone didn’t turn you off. It is not people, that are Christ, it is Christ that is Christ and he is the one to follow. I have learned this lesson myself. I am going to stop preaching, becasue that is not what I am here to do. I just pray with all my heart that one day you will consider finding your way to HIM. It would be your own journey, make it your own realtionship, if you will. Sometimes all the brillance in the world, can’t see what is clearly before them. The simplicity of life, the gifts and what a realtionship with the creator can offer, can’t be seen, becasue logic superceeds everything. Please consider what I shared, and I leave this with you and I leave you in God’s hands. Maybe I think simply, but I do know that Christ loves me and I will never abadon his love. Although I am in the dessert, I am taking small steps back to him. All my best I give to you. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:10:28 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41574 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41575 But I only have less than an hour to spare. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:15:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41575 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41576 Too bad we can’t listen to them on our computer as we blog! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:17:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41576 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41577 As you stated “In the midst of your bickering ladies and gents just remember that we aren’t asking for you to get to know us, or accept us, or even like us we just would like the capability to provide, like you do, for a family that we love, in the same way you love yours. We just want to be equals. That’s all.” Thank you for what you shared. Thank you, Hope Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:30:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41577 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41578 Matthew 19:4–6 (NIV) 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one. … Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:01:11 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41578 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41579 Genesis 2:21–24 (NIV) 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, … Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:04:19 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41579 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41580 How life could come from nothing is a scientific field called Abiogenisis, and let me tell you the line between life and a chemical reaction is is pretty blurry at that early point. If you mean the earth and the solar system, that would be the field of Astronomy. There are many sister fields to Astronomy that deal with specific areas of interest. As to the personal inquire about what turned me off at such a young age, the thing that made me start to question the whole thing was the lack of god presence upon his people. These people I went to church with were no different than the people that they claimed to be different from. Then maybe alittle later I thought “ What good are these people to god, if they are just working/acting this way just to get into heaven/reward. Would not the better man do good for goodness sake, with no want/need for a reward? Then the idea that god was created us in his image, yet he cant seem to get over petty human emotions like jealousy. Then I got older and took psych classes, and found out why humans work the way we do, and that explained alot of craziness I seen in the past. Then as I got older yet (sit down for this one folks) I found a story written by some Egyptians some 1280 years before Christ, its called the Book of the Dead ( know many of you have stopped reading already) . In this book it describes the god “Horus”. Horus is the son of the god Osiris, who is born unto a virgin mother. He was baptized in a river by Anup the baptizer, who then was later beheaded. Horus was tempted while alone in a desert, and he healed the sick, the blind and cast out demons. Are you starting to get the picture here? It keeps going, and going. I was stunned after I made sure it wasnt all BS ( everyone should do that). I can link sites to show you. But honestly if you want the truth, I think you should do it yourself so you know I am not misleading you. So there, heres my long rambling on post that has very little to do with the topic its posted under. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:18:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41580 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41582 Re Vets post: I was trying to say that I never thought about a couple in the military that happened to be homosexual. Talk about hardships…. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:47:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41582 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41583 Atheist have hope, I have hope. If I didn’t have hope I would bother raising a kid, or going to work, or get married, or even course correct when I’m driving down the hi-way. As an atheist at every funeral I attend, I am grieving the loss of companionship, and the loss of all that accumulated knowledge, as well as empathy for those around me some feeling worse than I. Its kinda like the movie the matrix, you can stay in your nice world, and its prolly better in there and out in the real world. In here its alittle dirty, but its real. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:05:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41583 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41585 I am fully aware of the scripture in Matthew 19:4–6 and Genesis 2:21–24 and the rest of the King James Bible. First of all, I was raised in a small town, republican, Roman Catholic family (now use the argument that environment effects sexual preference) and Second, I have had it all thrown in my face time and time again; but I read it the same every time. “Two become one flesh” not “two become one semi-stable, billion dollar industry supported, sign a piece of paper, relationship.” In the Bible the joining of Adam and Eve was to create mankind not to create weddings. What once was is no longer, times have changed, if we are solely living our lives by scripture let’s rape our women, sell our children to slavery, and STOP CHEATING AND LYING! Gracious. Stop picking and choosing which piece of scripture you solemnly live by. Marriage is no more than a promise to be monogamous and to share your stuff anyways. That’s it. Whether it’s before a court of law or before a god. However, each person, each couple, have different standards for their marriage, even gay couples. Some couples, gay and straight, are fully content never being legally or formally married, (I for one find the wedding industry appalling) their promise is to one another. Not to the state or to a god. I am just trying to say that LGBTQ or straight, why do you care? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:08:13 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41585 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41587 Georgia Bulldogs “Glory” (Played after a score) Glory, glory to old Georgia! Glory, glory to old Georgia! Glory, glory to old Georgia! G-E-O-R-G-I-A. Glory, glory to old Georgia! Glory, glory to old Georgia! Glory, glory to old Georgia! G-E-O-R-G-I-A. “Hail Georgia” (Played after the PAT) Hail to Georgia down in Dixie! Our college honored fair and true, The Red and Black is her standard, Proudly it waves! Streaming today and the ages through, She’s the fairest of the Southland, We’ll pledge our love to her for aye, To that college dear we’ll ring a cheer, All hail to dear old UGA! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:33:01 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41587 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41588 Louisiana State Tigers “Fight for LSU” Like knights of old we fight to hold The glory of the Purple and Gold We’ll carry through we’ll die or do To win this game for LSU Keep trying for the final score Come on you Tigers fight for more, for more Come you Tigers fight, fight, fight For dear old LSU. “Hey! Fightin’ Tigers” Hey! Fightin Tigers, fight all the way! Hey! Fightin Tigers, win the game today! You’ve got the know how, you’re doin’ fine, Hold on to the ball, as you hit the wall, And smash right through the line! You’ve got to go for the touchdown, run up the score, Make Mike the Tiger stand right up and roar! Use all of your might as you fight tonight And keep the goal in view! Victory for LSU! T…I…G…E…R…S…TIGERS! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:35:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41588 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41589 the gay storm maybe we can fix two problems Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:35:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41589 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41590 Syracuse Orange “Down the Field” Out upon the gridiron stands old Syracuse, Warriors clad in orange and in blue, Fighting for the fame of Alma Mater. Soon those Crouse chimes will be ringing, Soon you’ll hear those fellows singing. Onondaga’s braves are out to win today, The sons of Syracuse are ready for the fray, The line holds like a wall and now the Orange has the ball, So ready for that old long yell. Rah! Rah! Rah! (Chorus) Down, Down the field goes old Syracuse, Just see those backs hit the line and go thru’; Down, down the field they go marching, Fighting for the Orange staunch and true. Rah! Rah! Rah! Vict’ry’s in sight for old Syr-a-cuse, Each loyal son knows she ne’er more will lose, For we’ll fight, yes, we’ll fight, and with all our might For the glory of old Syracuse. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:36:28 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41590 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41591 Temple Owls “T for Temple U” T for Temple U Un-i-ver-sity! Fight! Fight! Fight! For the cherry and the white; For the cherry and the white we’ll fight, fight, fight! (repeat) “Fight! Temple Fight!” Fight! Temple, fight on! Fight with all your might! Fight for the Cherry and White, Keep our colors high! Roll that ball and hit the line, All the Temple stars will shine, Skill and courage win the game Fight on, Temple, fight! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:37:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41591 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41592 North Carolina State Wolfpack Shout aloud to the men who will play the game to win We’re behind you, keep fighting for State, Hold that line, hold ‘em fast, We’ll reach victory at last We’re behind you, keep fighting for State, Rise up to the fray and let your colors wave, Shout out for dear old N.C. State! GO STATE! And where-e’er we go, we’ll let the whole world know, We’re behind you, keep fighting for State! “The Red and White from State” We’re the Red and White from State And we know we are the best. A hand behind our back, We can take on all the rest. Come over the hill, Carolina. Devils and Deacs stand in line. The Red and White from N.C. State. Go State! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:39:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41592 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41593 I am gay and proud of it! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:39:50 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41593 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41594 Me too! Welcome to the sisterhood! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:40:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41594 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41595 Boy! Why anit you answering yer phone! I know yer mad at me but I just need to know why! Is it because I touched you, or is it more because you liked it? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:49:18 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41595 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41597 Thats truly classy… congrats. Of course I’m proud; what other choice do I have? You’re straight and proud aren’t you? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:54:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41597 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41598 So are we! I think. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:56:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41598 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41604 I have already spoken Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:10:33 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41604 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41637 ..acting like a gentleman. You not only insulted me, but the gay community. Come on show your better side. I knew that posting scripture was gonna get your goat, sorry. Okay here is something I need to tell you. Trust me on one thing, just because you have faith, doesn’t mean that it isn’t being tested all the time. Just because you have faith doesn’t mean that you don’t have doubt, you do. But it is my Faith and my Faith is my desire to believe. My faith allows me to believe and it isn’t always easy , it even has its moments of unbelief… Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:23:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41637 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41638 Please google Eucharistic Miracles. Please watch Eucharistic Miracle 1 and 2 and as many of the videos as you can stomach for me, please. Please click on the site Eucharistic miracles, they have a list of miracles, you can read…I know ahead that your stomach is probably already turning, because you think this stuff is utter nonsense, but it is the TRUTH, please reflect on it, PLEASE. Please do your own research with an OPEN MIND. Because as someone said one time, “Sometimes the brain gets in the way of the heart”. I saw the neatest display one time of Eucharistic Miracles, it showed stories of people through the centuries and the Eucharistic miracles they experience…I wish I could remember the story, but this young woman was going to be raped and she jumped through a window to get away. She was partially paralyzed and grew worse overtime. She eventually couldn’t eat and was sustained by the Eucharist as her only source of food for months. But remember she had a great devotion to the Lord prior to this attempt rape. There are some of the coolest things out there, really. A priest who was doubting his faith and the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist , held the Eucharist in his hands to consecrate it, and it began to bleed…they have done tests on the Eucharist and it appeared to be a type of flesh…I can’t remember the whole thing, but it was that like the flesh of the human heart. You are brilliant, you can find anything…give this a real opportunity to speak to your mind, use your brain and digest it. But please approach this from an open mind. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:26:23 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41638 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41639 Kham, once I took pictures of the Blessed Mother’s Statue after praying the Rosary with a group of ladies. As I was getting ready to take the pictures I saw these Orin like things in the lens of my camera. When the pictures were developed…I saw more. One of my pictures has an angel and dove and it is a bright glowing light. Another picture has the blessed mother and her heart is red. Another picture has a demon like creature with fangs that is being held back by bars (the bars are the bars of the window), but the demon happen to be behind them in the picture. I know it sounds weird, but I feel that these pictures are a gift to me. A gift because at that time my faith was stronger and in the process of growing. And honestly I didn’t and still don’t need signs to have faith. However they are a lift me a up, a shot in the arm, a wow is that cool kinda thing…if you catch my drift. I just had this overwhelming feeling come over me..take it for what you will…But someone that loves you are great deal is faithfully praying for you.., I really hope that their prayer’s are met one day. I also am praying for you. Please give some real thought to my last 3 posts, I would greatly appreciate it if you would. I gave your videos a whirl and I am still studing your stuff, how about you do the same for me. Like I said before, sometimes people care, just because they do. Hope Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:34:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41639 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41640 I guess I still oops, oops! ;) are=a Happy 4th of July!!!! Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:38:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41640 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41642 “Mighty Bruins” We are the Mighty Bruins, The best team in the West. We’re marching on to victory, To conquer all the rest. We are the Mighty Bruins, Triumphant evermore. You can hear from far and near, The Mighty Bruin roar! U! (3 claps) C! (3 claps) L! (3 claps) A! (3 claps) U-C-L-A! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:52:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41642 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41643 Thank goodness!!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:58:13 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41643 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41646 If you wanted to show my a baby bunny rabbit fossil in the Jurassic period. I would have to check that out and do some rethinking. Mental unstable people with out the proper health care seeing things that they want to see, and willfully being ignorant of the world we live in and why thing work the way they do. Many of those people live (mentally) in the bronze age, of course they see magic every day. They have no idea how the brain works, and quite frankly they dont care. It was like watching Jerry’s kids debate the merits of Jesus, cute, heartbreaking, but not a solid argument. I can never go to religion as long as I hold dear to this one fact: Reason > Faith ps Nice post Jesus. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:03:20 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41646 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41647 Of course there was things I cannot explain, but I am watching a vid, and I cant talk to people, or do test myself, or see someone else test (because of lack of info) Of be in the same place at the same time as all these things happen. If Jesus really wants me to believe in him, all he needs to do is show up and chit chat for a few minutes with me IN PERSON. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:08:34 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41647 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41648 Now I am making MORE typos, I need to stop trying to type this stuff while multitasking. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:13:27 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41648 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41650 ^^^Sounds like a good idea. One thing at a time. Remember an open mind. Not a closed heart. Thanks Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:46:22 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41650 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41652 My mind is open! But Hope, this doesn’t get my a BS filters. Meaning my reason ( that reason that you believe god put there, but doesn’t want me to use ) is showing me that this is nothing more than, snake oil for lack of a better metaphor. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:04:38 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41652 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41653 “We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.” Roddenberry, Gene on Atheism Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:05:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41653 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41654 Okay! He has already stopped by and believe me more then one time. But your closed heart won’t let HIM in. I have had real experiences, more than mentioned here, and if you don’t believe it that is fine, no problem. I just thought I would share some of the reasons that help me in my faith journey. I am no where at the level of reading and comprehension that you are at. I find your intelligence amazing. But at the same time I also believe in myself and my thinking. I just wanted to give your hard head a nice big shake, and say wake up, quit being so damb stubborn. You don’t always have to be right! I want to thank you for answering my earlier post from yesterday so nicely…but it kinda got lost, with the crazy stuff that followed..that mean spirit, man I would like you to lose that side, at least tame it down quit a bit. Listen I am not here to convince you anymore. Think what you will think. But you can’t stop me from praying that ONE DAY you will see things in a very different light. I have had an overwhelming feeling today that someone close to you, someone who loves you very much has been praying for you all along, just thought that I would pass that on. Thank you for watching my vidoes!!!! I bet that is why you are mutitasking, at least I HOPE so!!! And if so, I can’t thank you enough! Wow that would mean that you are a pretty awesome guy after all, right? Pretty awesome..I am quite sure. THANK YOU. Bless You..BE well, be happy, and have a beautiful weekend outdoors!!! Ride your bike, or take a hike, just enjoy getting away from all this and allow yourself to breath…I mean really breath…the breath of life. Love, Hope Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:11:32 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41654 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41656 I just want to say that I am not always confortable around all Christians. I myself see alot of phonies. I have alot of questions I need answered myself, I am still on a faith journey. I at times like I don’t fit in. Sometimes I feel very unique from everyone else. But ask me can people talk to me, the answer is YES. At work I know everyone’s name, and I make a point to say HI, each time I work. I recognize EVERYONE. I see value in the janitor on up to the highest management! When I walk through my place of work everyone says HI to me, because I see everyone of them, they actually mean something to me. I remember what people say about themselves and I ask them how they are doing? I listen to the answers and I really care about what they have to say. I have friends 18 on up to 70+++, and I can relate to them all. It is simple I look at their hearts and recognize where they are. I had a woman come up to me and say “I want what you have, there is something different about you”…I shared my faith and she shared her rape and all the hell that she has been through. To me that is what a CHristian is..meeting people where they are at…loving them for who they are and not for who I expect them to be…A Christ type of love, it is unconditional love, and it is the best love to be found. Imagine being loved for being you, period. I never had that growing up, quite the opposite. God sustained me and kept me sain, along with my cousin who died and appeared to me, to tell me to look to GOD, that HE is the answer. So that is some of who I am and why I am where I AM TODAY. I hope you can see me for me, and not what you think I lack or what you think I should believe. I accept you…I just wish you knew what I know to be true. Man, you bring the poetic person out in me! Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:29:59 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41656 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41659 Won’t be able to write. ;( gotta leave soon. No way to respond to answer you, sorry. Hope you can let me know if you had any change of heart, or what you think. I don’t expect anything to change overnight..In fact I will leave you in God’s hands,it is something between the two of you. It is your decision, I repsect that. I wish you the best! Have a great weekend!!! Remember SUNSHINE!!! Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:40:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41659 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41660 oh yes, my computer is right next to my back door, and the weather is great at the moment. My kid is running around pushing a tonka dumptruck at hi speeds thru the lawn atm:) I allways get the impression that you think I am in pain or that my life is rather selfish. Thats just not the case, for instance, I mowed my neighbors lawn the other day without being asked because I knew his lawn mower was broken. Theres a single mom a few doors down that needs help with minor things from time to time, shes very christian too, and I dont hold it against her, in truth I enjoy her company. I hold the doors for people when I am entering or leaving any building, I could go on but even I am getting bored. I do all these things with no need/want for reward, or fear of being punished if I do not do those things. Just be good for goodness sake, and if in the end I am wrong and my spirit is before god allmighty. It would probably go like this, and I’m fine with that, I dont want to work with someone like that anyway Later Hope, I’ll see you on some other topic where I can vent my rage justifiably. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:06:50 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41660 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41668 Atheist life vs Religious Life Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:04:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41668 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41680 I greatly appreciate what you have shared about yourself. You are doing things for the right reasons, not for reward but just to be a good person! Honestly you have hit the nail on the head Kham. That is truely what it is all about. Giving of oneself to others out of the kindness of your heart, period. You truely are a great guy. I am sorry that I made you feel that I thought that you were selfish or in pain. Really I guess I didn’t know what to think…I just know that you spend time here and sometimes you are pretty mean spirited and I just wondered why? Critism is fine, in fact it can be a very constructive thing. I guess that it isn’t citicism any longer when you attack a person for who they are, do you know what I mean? I think that you have great things to say, or I won’t interact with you or read your posts the way have. I even enjoyed reading about what you wrote about your son “My kid is running around pushing a tonka dumptruck at hi speeds thru the lawn atm:)” It was adorable. Enjoy your family, it is what I consider the greatest gift one can have, and I am glad to hear you have people around you that you love. I see that you aren’t in pain. I am grateful to know these things. Lastly the video comedy about God, is really depressing. I do need to state that the God of the old testament is very confusing for me too. But to be fair I haven’t taken the time to study the old testament…I have come to know Christ and Our Lady (her just in the past year), and I have found that she wants us to know her SON. She points the way and is a loving mother. But that video also made sense and I can see why you feel as though you do. But you have only a narrow part of the whole picture of TRUTH. Please continue to give HIM a chance. I understand so much more of why an atheist is an atheist. I hope I have greater understanding and I hope to learn more about my faith because of everything that has been discussed. My best wishes to you and your family, always. Hope Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:30:49 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/view/41680