Greek probation comes to an end

The probation period was too short. It came just before finals and into semester break. It would mean more to have probation now for a couple of weeks to start the semester off with some real reflection.

Must have been brutal being on “probation” while at home over break when no events would be taking place to begin with.

A. None of these steps are “new”. All of them (registering parties, guest lists, etc.) are parts of almost every fraternity risk management plan. Don’t act like they’re somehow new, and since they weren’t enforced in the past, what chance do you think they will now.

B. NONE of these “changes”, had they been in effect, would have prevented either death. Rosman died while on a trip to Joe Louis, and McMillen over-consumed at a bar. The circumstances surrounding their deaths would not fall under the jurisdiction of these “new” rules. What an empty gesture.

In their defense…they are trying. On the other hand, these rules have been the same since 2006. The problem isn’t the rules. The problem is the enforcement of said rules. The NIC, the IFC parent organization was founded as an advising organization NOT a police force. The problems with Students “policing” students is that the minute something like this happens, morning parents,families and friends are the first to point their fingers at Bill and Kait.

What about those off-site parties? Not an “official Greek” function. But unstoppable.

In my time, the local frat just rented some apartments on the other side of the street. Same folks seemed to “live” at both places. The chapter house kept its good reputation and its occupancy license — and of course had no responsibility for that other place.

It’s a sad story about their deaths. But of course, as with anything, a few idiots ruin it for everyone else. Be responsible for your own actions.

Are you ready to get drunk again? I am it’s been a long time coming.

so whats the deal with the guest list, do you like have to rsvp to the party of do they just record who was ther?

It’s a shame that the Greek community is going off probation immediately after coming off break. It really would have sent a stronger message to the Greek and MSU community that they are serious about preventing another alcohol related incident. Instead this New Inter-Fraternity Council has decided to immediately lift the probation on what I can assume is a gesture to win the favor of the Fraternities and not seem like the “Bad Guys” while putting the previous IFC under the bus and making them out to be people who just hated fun.
After reviewing the new policies set forth I see them as being a joke, with party RSVP list, it will be almost impossible to authenticate that the only people at the party are only those on the guest list as anyone can just check a name off and say that they are checking names.
As for registering parties with the police, I think this is a great idea but again leaves the loophole of fraternities having annex houses where they can have an unchecked, unregulated party.
As for the no serving of alcohol, last I checked fraternities weren’t bars and aren’t allowed or supposed to be serving alcohol at all, and most houses already check ID’s to prevent non students from getting in and possible thieves from stealing member’s personal belongings or damaging the house.
I am curious to see how parties are checked with IFC’s walk thru’s as it’s easy to stop them at the door and hide any common sources of alcohol and them allow them to walk thru and bring the alcohol back out once they have left.
While there is no magic bullet for any of the problems that the governing body of the Greek Community faces, I am certain that by working in conjunction with MSU, EL Police, and other services.

All the underage individuals can now drink again. YEAH!!!!!!!!!! Let’s get wasted and stumble back to the Brody Complex. Maybe someone will pass out and freeze to death on the way home. I guarantee a student at MSU will die this semester. Most likely from some sort of alcohol related reason. With 43,000 people going to school at MSU someone is going to die, statistics don’t lie.

Is there any way that the City of East Lansing can punish the bar(s) that continued to serve the kid from AGR? I thought I heard that bars could be held criminally liable if they do not cut off severely intoxicated patrons.

It would send a strong message to the community and the university to at least look into this. It’s no secret that the bars are just as bad when it comes to encouraging binge drinking

-How about people are just responsible for their own actions? If they drink too much and die, so be it, its their choice.
-Guest lists are dumb
-Its commonly belived that the guy from AGR died of a heart condition and not over drinking.

-Toxicology report came back according to the paper, saying he died of acute alcohol poisoning, that means that his liver had been processing alcohol for long periods of time, most likely days.
-I agree guest list are stupid and don’t work, maybe everyone should be given bracelets to wear or something that would limit the amount of people at a party and everyone inside would potentially know at least one member of the house.
-The kid from AGR wasn’t drinking at the bar that from what I understand and is believed to have had a heart problem and an alcohol problem as well.