Conservatives must return to roots

Awesome Article Hope he runs 2012 finally someone who can be anti-war and a fiscal conservative.

We need Old Right conservatives like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul in the White House. Glenn Beck would be good, too.

Did you see Beck’s CPAC speech? He condemned the spreading of democracy by force abroad.

The article reaches a wrong conclusion when it says there must be a return to what is essentially a classical liberal platform. While I personally lean to the Gingrich ideology, the only way the GOP will reclaim power in ’12 is to move back towards the center and pick up the independents that have supported the tea party and Scott Brown, but who are unlikely to rally behind someone more to the right.

The problem of course is that a moderate conservative struggles to emerge from the primaries, and the rise of the Tea Party might hinder putting in a candidate that can actually compete with Obama (Ron Paul, as much as I like him, cannot).

And I object with the inaccuracies and pointed words with little foundational basis surrounding the article’s clams about the Bush Doctrine.

Romney ’12.

terribly written.

I liked you better with the beard.

Conservative republicans with their “freedom” never fool me. I know them: every time they come back is “witch hunting” time. In the 1950s they persecuted communists and any person in sympathy with the peace movement, civil rights for minorities and in favor of more defense for consumers. In the 1960s and 1970s dissidents of the USA’s governmemt and the war in Vietnam. And now you can expect more “witch hunting” to minorities, muslims, and any critic of USA’s foreign policies. Hypocrisy is so widespread in this country. At least Hitler’s Nazis I can give them a small credit: they were more “honest” than today’s USA’s “conservatives”. Hope you “enjoy” the irony. No matter how many mistakes Mr. Obama can make, I’ll NEVER will vote conservative republicans.

The “Patriot Act” so-called conservatives could read Edmund Burke (“Reflections on the Revolution in France”) and the “Religious Right” so-called conservatives could read the Founding Fathers (“The Constitution” and the “Federalist Papers”). These are the basic documents of conservatism. Ron Paul is the best exemplar of these ideas we now have. The Bush years were an aberration.

Mr. Anonymous,
“they persecuted communists”.

LMFAO.
Considering the communists’ body count, I’d say it was well-earned.

Funny how you mention the Nazis (Godwin’s Law in fewer than ten posts – a record_).

Kill 12 million and you’re evil, but kill 100 MILLION and you deserve special protections from Mr. Anonymous.

Go figure.

I would assume that Mr. Anonymous is referring to people like Langston Hughes, W.E.B. DuBois, Charlie Chaplin, etc who were victims of McCarthyism. That’s just a few famous public intellectuals/entertainers who were ‘persecuted’ as communists. Was it well-earned? How about Oppenheimer? I doubt very much that he’s defending someone like Stalin, and am certain that you know better…defending Stalin…

ANYBODY aligned with the communists deserves as much “persecution” as we can muster. But, hey, by all means keep listing the “good” ones.

Would you ask for such indulgences for the Nazis? Even those pathetic Hollyweird sympathizers were significant enablers of the communist movement within the US. These “artists” belonged to groups with direct ties to Stalin’s regime.

And, to set the record straight, McCarthy was right. The Venona decrypts proved that. Hiss, Maclean, Burgess and Hollywood’s beloved Rosenbergs. The only regrettable part is that it took 40 years to complete the decryptions. By then, these traitors had passed into a history that Hollywood is still trying to rewrite.

But what would I know? I only spent three years of my life watching the East German border and witnessing the misery and strife these beloved communists wrought.

Why not ask some former East German residents what they think of our homegrown communist sympathizers? I have.

I say, the only good communists are dead.

Not a very well organized column and not a particularly accurate breakdown of Conservatives.

A simple prediction….
Regardless of the CPAC straw poll, Ron Paul will not be the Republican nominee in 2012. He will turn 77 a few months before the election (5 yrs older than McCain relative to the 2008 election), and there are too many conservatives to whom he is just scary.

MVT,
I believe you are right.
I like A LOT of things Ron Paul stands for, but not everything. I believe his foreign policy statement is extremely naive, but he’s not a stupid man and he may be the most principled man in or congress.

It was strange for conservatives, who followed Ron Paul with great interest since about 2005. He was considered a true beacon of conservative thought, but that disappeared overnight with his anti-war stance.

I remember him standing up during the Tavis Smiley/PBS -moderated debates. Usually, I’m loathe to see a Republican stoop to participate in racially-based nonsense, but Ron Paul laid it out, plain and simple, and didn’t shy from the questions. He didn’t fall for an NAACP setup like Ross Perot.

I stand on what I have said. And one should NEVER lower yourself to the enemy. I can see how right I am. And still see we haven’t learned a lesson yet. But someday we shall do.

Is guys like “Maximun Bob” make Americans the most hated people on Earth. Hope he enjoys that “hatred”. Not me.

The biggest threat to “true conservatism” are the shifting demographics of our country; within 10 years whites will no longer be a majority, but merely the largest minority. American conservatism has positioned itself as a political party that is strictly of/for non-urban whites, which will make it politically unsustainable in the near future. The GOP will continue to become more centrist in order to survive.

This is unfortunate, because intelligent conservatism is an important part of the American political landscape. Of course, “intelligent conservatism” has become an oxymoron recently, which is too bad.

Mr Anonyomous and a lot of other liberals are so insecure as to care what other countries think of Americans. They also don’t realize that MOST people on earth like Americans. I suggest traveling…

“…the most hated people on Earth.”

Care to back that up?
I’ve travelled extensive, in my personal life, the military and in business and I detect NONE of that sentiment. America is still among the world’s leaders in immigration. They must hate Americans so much that they can’t wait to be one. I work with immigrants daily and every one of them LOVES America, and most are on the legal path to becoming Americans. Good for them, they know better and don’t fall for the rhetoric.

Envied? Yes.
Hated? No.

You’ve been reading too many Obama press releases.

You’re both right and both wrong.

Many people in the world hate our government (although that has quieted somewhat with Obama’s election) but they don’t hate “us” — American citizens.

Of course, half of our own population hates our government as well — which half depends on whether the Dems or GOP are in power.

If this is how conservatives really feel, why the heck didn’t they speak up during the Bush years if their views were being so misrepresented?

They didn’t mind keeping quiet when his administration was busy wire tapping American’s phones.

They didn’t stand up when he issued an executive order to enter Iraq under false pretenses.

They didn’t even wave their goofy little tea bags when he bailed out the banks.

But now that there’s a guy in office from the other team, that’s the last straw. Yeah right.

So,
You may have missed it, but;
1. Fiscan conservatives DID object to TARP. You just weren’t paying attention.

2. The administration never used warrantless taps on American phones. They used them on foreign phones which may or may not have called the US. Again, it’s all about paying attention.

3. We DID NOT stand against the war in Iraq because we felt it was the right thing to do. Many of us still do. The fact that Joe “Plugs” Biden is now trying to claim credit for the war (which he didn’t support in any measure) says a lot about the SUCCESS that is Iraq.

Even with the Prescription Drug Act (another government entitlement program that’s guaranteed to go bankrupt), we rebelled and voiced our anger.

“Truth really hurts”, am I right, Mr. Maximun Bob? [Also maximun in lies and arrogance]

Mr Anonymous,
That’s it?
That’s the best that you can do?

Maximum Bob is the model conservative: twisting and re-reading history to suit his own ideological ends.

1) There was a fair amount of conservative opposition to the Bush TARP bailouts, but it was couched in class resentment rather than any principled stance on government spending. If it had been the latter, more “conservatives” would have spoken up while Bush was creating one of the greatest deficits in history through his reckless militarism and program of tax cuts. Anger over TARP had more to do with the fact that rich Wall St. types were “receiving” the money.

2) McCarthy WAS NOT right, and Venona DOES NOT vindicate him. While the Venona decrypts do prove that some individuals, of which there was little doubt, were actual communists (Hiss, the Rosenbergs), many other individuals targeted by McCarthy and HUAC did not deserve prosecution. Chapter 1, note 11, in VENONA by John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr: “The targets he [McCarthy] picked for his accusations do not suggest Venona as a source.” There is no alignment between the Venona documents and McCarthy’s with hunt. The modern Right’s desire to vindicate McCarthy 60 years after the fact is perverse, at best.

“3. We DID NOT stand against the war in Iraq because we felt it was the right thing to do.”

But the fact is: He issued an EXECUTIVE ORDER to wage war— and entered Iraq under false pretenses. Your personal feelings (and those shared by conservatives) about the state of the moment doesn’t matter. This was a moment when the president went beyond the legislature and made a missive power grab which cost the country BILLIONS of dollars, THOUSANDS of lives, and immeasurable damage to our international credibility (real conservative, right?). But hey, it was what your team wanted so it was okay, and you’ll defend it tooth an nail if anyone says otherwise. But if it was the democrat’s that did it, god help them!