Increasing recognition

Sorry, call me intolerant or bigoted or whatver else, but trangenderism (?) is something I can’t get on board with. It’s unnatural. I can accept homosexuality, or at least be tolerant of it, to some extent. Even putting aside the standard “that is not how God made you” argument-I don’t want to use religion as a grounds for morality on a public forum, I still believe that somewhere, a line should be drawn. If you are born a man, then you are still a man. If you are born a woman, then you are still a woman.

Y-chromosomes (or lack thereof) don’t lie. I try not to be judgmental, but enough already with blind acceptance that arises from exessive political correctness. There’s tolerance, and then there’s absurdity.

if you are happy then i am happy for you! life is too short, live the way you want to live, enjoy everyday, dont let unhappy peoples negativity bring you down. im a straight guy and i totally support the LGBT community. i dont support right wing religious conservatives. if you are gonna be mean to anyone, be mean to them. cuz they suck.

I expect an article on unrecognized Anglo-Saxon, masculine, male heterosexuals, because at this point of college liberalism, I find transgenderism equally unremarkable for front page news. That’s what you wanted right? To be so normal you’re unremarkable? Obviously not.

In better news, why doesn’t President Simon talk about the Mossad assassination that took place in Dubai. It directly affects us because we’re currently managing a branch of the university. The Israeli spies used fake passports, and the British are investigating them for high crimes.

For the safety of our reputation and our students, we should get out of Dubai. Remember ASMSU flew out to Dubai all of a sudden earlier this semester.

If an Arab leader can be assassinated in an Arab nation, then any one of our students abroad could just as easily be assassinated.

Could you imagine an instance where Mossad was captured on tape murdering an American leader in Lansing and not having statements made by the university president?

I’m confused.
Do you want to fit in, or do you want to be recognized for not fitting in?

Either way, cutting off body parts DOES NOT change your sex.
Sorry ‘bout that.

I think it’s funny that people think that being a transsexual is some kind of struggle to be 100% one sex. No, genetics don’t lie, they are what your born with. Transsexuals are merely just trying to fit on the gender spectrum where they feel comfortable, not all are trying to remove thier sex organs to prove something. Gender expression is a fluid thing that changes throughout ones lifetimes and experiences. Kylie is a brave girl for living the life she’s always wanted.

One more thing;
If you can be “recognized” as a transexual, your surgery didn’t work so well.

Just sayin’.

@Maximum Bob: You obviously have no idea how the transsexual transition process works. Most transsexuals don’t undergo any surgeries at all. Looking like the gender you wish involves Hormone Replacement Therapy, a lengthy process that modifies the body both physically and mentally. What does surgery have to do with anything?

Surgery is not used in ANY “transgender” transformation? None?

“Doc. I’d like a huge pair of knockers, but I want to keep my wedding tackle. Deal?”

Nope. Nothing wrong with that.

One again Bob, don’t talk unless you know what your saying. You don’t need to ask your doctor for “knockers”, Hormones act on the body the same was as puberty does, breasts are grown naturally using your bodies genetic coding to determine size. True, transsexuals who start later in life may wish to have breast augmentation, but in Kylie’s case I think she matured just fine.

Lighten up please. This is a college website and obviously college studetnts will have some laughs with this topic, it doesn’t make us intolerant.

Max Bob is probably a freshman in Brody. He’ll grow up, we all will, but in the meantime some humor doesn’t hurt anyone

Roger/“Rachel”,

Can you name any other mental disorders that are treated by disfiguration? How many other mental disorders are accomodated with special facilities?

The concept that this is “healthy and normal” is as patently ridiculous as a “man” getting pregnant.

Why can’t we just let people live their own lives without interfering or commenting? Transgender and gender identity topics have nothing to do with me, yet I have read and researched them and have come to understand them so I don’t appear ignorant when a solid article finally appears in the State News.

Ok, soooo apparently, a bunch of ignorant lil kids who think they are educated wanna toss in their two cents. Listen love, I know Kylie, and she, yes SHE, is a wonderful person.

Before you go judging, perhaps you people should educate yourself with the new bio studies. There is a very highly supported theory of a ‘hormone wash’ during gestation in the womb. As you probably dont know, everyone begins physically ‘female’ in the womb. With these individuals, as they are in the womb, they are forming as planned, as female, but, during moments of great stress for the mother, or in the case of a severe hormonal imbalance in the mother, it can cause a ‘wash’ of hormones which causes the person to begin to form as male, while the brain chemistry is still that of female.

I’m guessing, by the tone and arrogance of the rude comments, that all you detractors are men. Big surprise. How would you guys feel if, tomorrow, you had to be a woman for the rest of your life? Would you do it? Cause if not, then that means you too are ‘wrong’ according to your baseless logic.

Also, I’m a post transition female myself. I can assure you, you HAVE met trans women and not known it, so what the hell is the big freaking deal?! The city I live in, the ONLY people who know I wasnt born female re a small group of friends, and girls like Kylie who I talk to from time to time.

One day, Kylie will blend seamlessly into society, and she can finally escape the judgement of the uneducated and over opinionated. Just as I have, she will, one day, become 100% blended into society, and no one will ever know her personal life issues with being trans.

So again, before you speak, and judge someone YOU hve never met, maybe, I dunno, get to know her before assuming he’s like the rest of the crazy trannies out there. There are MANY normal women out there like myself and Kylie, we just had to fight for our life more than most. So, if anything, all she has done is she is way more brave and way more strong than any of you.

Roger? Now your just being immature. Gender Identity disorder is not a mental disorder at all. The DSM is working on revision. You have to understand gender is not black and white, and that people do suffer because of the social conformity placed upon them to live up to expectations of their gender. Because your internal gender matches your sex, this is something you may never understand. And what is wrong with a pregnant man? There are no rules Bob, grow up.

When I was growing up, if you had a peepee you were a boy and if you didn’t have a peepee you were a girl. Why do we need to complicate the matter?

SayWha?

Its not complicating the matter, its about medically correcting a very serious problem of dischord between mental identity and physical makeup.

Its like this, just because YOU eat healthy everyday and have shelter, does that mean the Red Cross isnt needed? If you have a good job, does that mean we should stop with job placement services?

See love, life ISNT all about you. If you arent trans, and happy with your gender, instead of using that as a soapbox from which to hand judgement down to people you have NEVER EVEN MET perhaps you should simply be happy that you are free of such an issue.

beyond the discussion of ignorance and how ‘natural’ transexualism is or not, there’s one thing i need to point out before this gets any further:

sex and gender are NOT the same thing

sex refers to the genitalia. pure and simple. if you have a penis, you fall into the male sex, and having a vagina puts you in the female sex. the time this isn’t true is when hormones and other chemicals start to go awry, which disorders such as CAH or AIS (but that’s a different discussion)

gender (which is what this article discusses) transcends much deeper than the sex. obviously kylie and daniel, despite sexually being a male and female respectively, felt that their gender was not accurately reflected by their sex. gender is the sum of all your behaviors and your personal sense of your masculinity and/or femininity.

just something to keep in mind.

before assuming she’s like the rest of the crazy trannies out there*

Sorry Kylie, my ‘s’ key sticks, lol

Hello Jessica, I’m just here to make people like you angry because I think it’s cute.

“Its not complicating the matter, its about medically correcting a very serious problem of dischord between mental identity and physical makeup.”

Why do you belive that we need to medically correct everything that is wrong with someone? Who says it is wrong in the first place (obviously you think there is something wrong with the person)? Why don’t you stop judging people you’ve never met, hippocrit.

Homonculus,

This is true, but even still, being born with a penis or vagina does NOT make you 100% male or female respectively.

I have a guy friend who is 100% male in his mentality and identity, and yes, he has a penis, but was also born with a vaginal cavity too during birth.

Its like this people, there’s nothing wrong with what Kylie and Daniel are doing, its usually people’s own inability to overcome their own homophobia.

If a bio male has fully transitioned to female, then she is ONLY a female; which means, if a man were to sleep with her, he is still a straight man. However, men, usually, are SOOOO concerned with the public’s view of their sexuality, that it scares them that girls like myself exist, where, until we mention our past, its impossible to tell I wasn’t born a female, at least not 100%.

So honestly, 95% of the judgements handed out against transitioning people is from a position of misplaced homophobia.

I just find it funny why people who seem so not concerned with trans issues are caring enough to speak against it.

I swear, this is why deep conversation on hot button issues dont work in college papers. Im sure most of you commenters are still not even half way thru your college career, but coming from a much older person, I can assure you, eventually, you haters will grow up.

Saywha?,

IF the person wants to medically fix their issue, and the tools are available to them via therapists and doctors/surgeons, then WHY do you care what they do? It’s their body, not yours or anyone else’s.

Its true there is a giant gender spectrum, along which, many identify in varying shades of both female and male. However, IN the community, there are women like Kylie and myself, who only ever identified as female. For us, we are women, and it was only about correcting the defects of having the wrong hormones coursing through our bodies.

For many women like this, they CHOOSE to change, not for you, not for society, but because its who they are. See, its VERY simple for someone without a problem to mock another for having one. I never judged you, I only said Kylie and Daniel are being incorrectly judged by a bunch of less than educated college kids. Nothing about that statement was assumptive or incorrect, its written, plainly for all to see, in the comments before mine.

Jessica,

I could care less who or what you are. I wish you all the happiness in the world and in your future endeavours. I am a well educated person who is in the medical field. I’m just here to stimulate debate, frankly I could care less about the article or the “community”. If this were an article about the “straight white male” community you would probably care less too.

Again, best wishes and keep your head up.

There are no rules Bob, grow up.

Bullshit, “Rachel”.
Cutting and pasting as a form of mutilation does not change the fact, only the appearance. Those are the rules.

“Jessica”,
Throwing “homophobia” around doesn’t end (or even support) the argument. Made-up words don’t change the facts. You don’t have to be “homophobic” to cringe and wonder, “You want to cut off what???!!!”

Calling yourself a “she” doesn’t wash when you lack the most basic elements of a true female.

Saywha?,

I wish ya the best of luck in your studies of the medical community. It can be tough, but as Im sure you know, the rewards for all the hard work ahead of you are well worth it. Best to you as well.

Maximum Bob,
Ok, I didnt throw around made up words, and unlike you, I actually have connections and, gasp actual experience in healthcare. I was, at one time, Assistant Director of Admissions for the healthcare/nursing department of a college.

As for being homophobic, it DOES show someone is biased and not working on facts. Facts have PROVEN the hormone wash theory, time and again, yet because of transgenderism still being listed as a mental disorder in the DSM, it makes it harder to prove as a law and as such, still remains a theory. A highly PROVEN theory, but sadly still only a theory.

You see, the MEDICAL community has made their decision. They recognize transexuality as a genuine issue, and that biologically, during birth, this CAN occur where a person is female, but their bodies develop as male. Its the Psychological community that has yet to jump on board with this, and therefore, still chooses to view this issue as a disorder.

As for basic elements of a female, what the hell do ya mean? Perhaps I was just a genetic woman posing as trans in the hopes you’d realize your judgement is insanely off base AND uneducated.

Also, again, what basic female elements do you speak of? Lack of being able to have kids?

Well, thanks, my cousin can’t have kids, and she was born female, I suppose we gotta tell her she’s a faggy tranny now.

Seriously love, I have ALL the qualities that any other female does, and gain, living in a city of over 2 million, I go each day with no one thinking anything odd about me.

So you can ty and say what you like, it doesnt change that I live as any other genetic woman and that no one can tell if I am or not. Some of us just wanted to get our lives back and live a normal life in our mental gender.

What is your big prob with that? As I said, I KNOW you have met trans people before, you just didnt know they were.

My 2 cents:

I have no ill will towards any trans person. They have the right to do with their body what they will. I do not pretend to know the hardships involved with being trans, nor do I place any judgments on a trans person.

This being said, you are born male or female. Regardless of what you feel “in your heart” or however you wish to word it. Gay, straight, bi… you are man or woman (ignoring certain rare situations where the sex is biologically not concrete as in cah or ais, these are a diff argument)

Apart from our bodies, there is little difference between men and women that can’t be explained by culture.

To put it simply: I am a male. But my self image was not cemented at birth, rather it was created through my millions of small and large experiences across my life. I was taught the role I will play by everyone around me. Luckily for me, my brain chemistry was such that I am interested in culturally “male” things. I behave as a male “should” behave.

A trans person is different only in that their brain make up wills them a value system inverse to the socially “correct” path.

A man interested in “girly” things is not a woman.

A man with a hormone treated body and a surgically created vagina is not a woman. He is a man with a hormone treated body and a surgically created vagina. Cut and dry.

A white man painted black is not a black man. A horse painted with stripes is not a zebra.

This is hard truth. It is not meant to offend. My point is that a gender change is a tool to feel accepted by society, as they will not accept you for who you are. Being accepted socially gives the illusion of self satisfaction.

But it doesn’t change who you are, only what you are called.

Again, this isn’t a trans bash. It is only the truth. Hard to hear as it may be.