Punishment for pie-thrower should be tempered

I mostly agree except for your ending.

“She messed up. Give her a chance to fix it.”

This is the same girl who has been repeatedly arrested for various things she’s done targeting Sen. Levin. This is not a first time offense. As such, i’m not sure how much she’s ‘learned’ from her past punishments and while I want to give people chances to stop poor choices, when they repeatedly fail to do so perhaps it’s time to stop taking them so lightly – especially in this political climate.

Sparty, I agree. I’m all for second chances but this girl has already been arrested once for demonstrating in Levin’s office. So now she stalks him out at a meeting and assaults him and you want leniency because it’s a pie? She’s clearly got issues with Levin and is becoming more violent in her approach.

lets get back to some real subjects of debate:

Bring Back the COMICS

What about the hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan, Iraq and occupied Palestine who’ve had their “safety compromised, space invaded and pride damaged”? Mohsen didn’t act rashly. She should be considered a hero for standing up to a career politician who is for all intents and purposes a war criminal. She’s already being persecuted by the state of Michigan and the Obama administration with their respective charges and investigations. Do we really need MSU to weigh in too? Leave this young woman alone and allow her to finish her education.

Carl Levin is a very powerful person and is responsible for children and families being bombed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine.

Ahlam Mohsen threw a pie at him.

It is laughable that the people who wrote this article are actually taking Ahlam’s action so serious.

It is Senator Levin who is guilty of war crimes that have killed untold numbers. He is the one who should be prosecuted. Ahlam’s actions should be applauded for their courage and solidarity with the victims of Sen. Levin’s crimes, speaking truth to power.

Ahlam Mohsen is a hero whose actions and bravery serve as an example to students and activists all over the country. Instead of wasting ink condemning Mohsen, we should be talking about the appropriate punishment for war criminals like Levin — and how to make it reality.

Disciplinary action should be taken, not against Alham Moshen, but against whoever invited that Carl Levin to begin with.

I doubt that support for Zionist Apartheid Racism is consistent with the University policy regarding discrimination.

In the meantime, Levin should be thankful that he was only hit with a pie. He supports a government which kills millions with cluster bombs, white phosphorous, bulldozers, and other legal and illegal weapons.

The fact that only a pie has hit Mr. Levin in the face is something he should rejoice, as it is hardly Karma.

If anything Moshen should be awarded for her courage. The fact that discipline is even being discussed for her, shows the kind of atmosphere she faces every day, yet still had the courage to throw a pastry with all the risks.

Has the university ever considered expelling members of its Pro-Zionist Jewish Clubs, Anti-LGBT Christian Fundamentalist Organizations, Young Pro-War Republicans, or other groups who support outright violence against oppressed people whether in the U.S., Iraq, Afghanistan, or Palestine?

I suppose discipline is only reserved for those who throw pies?

Sending money to support Israeli and U.S. terror is “no big deal” according to this institution of “education” and “learning”?

The charges against Mohsen are out of proportion with the act of pie-throwing. They are clearly intended to intimdate the public into silence, except to cheerlead the ongoing tradition of criminal and unpopular foreign policy.
Good to read of people resisting that intimidation.

Levin’s tacit support of these charges, speaks volumes. To me it doesn’t say he deserves a pie in the face when he didn’t request one.

It says congressional representatives deserve to be voted out of office when they refuse to properly steward the public’s interest, and especially when they collude in the criminalization of dissent against these illegal wars.

I say illegal because the Presidential Administration who instigated these wars was not actually voted into power, not in 2000 and not in 2004. I say illegal because neither country threatened the United States. Also, with Iraq, the reasons for making war on that country turned out to be wholly false. The reasons for making war on Afghanistan have yet to be made clear.

We speak of violence and nonviolent protest, and chastise people like Mohsen and Manning who put themselves at great risk to do the right thing when every institution opposes them, directly through perversions of civilian and military justice systems, and indirectly through a deliberate witholding of principled leadership and guidance.

Detroit is burning, literally. DTE, the energy supplier for Southeast Michigan, accelerates heating cost increases and then shuts off heat for inability to pay.
Last winter several families lost their children, elderly, and disabled in house fires that resulted when DTE abruptly cut off their heat and they did what they could to not freeze.

But where’s the criticism of profit-reaping energy conglomerates like DTE when they use unspeakable violence to communicate their demands, in this case, for more money?

And has been rightly pointed out, where’s the criticism of brutal, large-scale assaults on sovereign peoples who posed no threat to the US?

A university who would expel Ahlam Mohsen, and others who would take a stand for justice and peace, has nothing to teach about truth or humanity.

A congressional representative who calls for the execution of Bradley Manning, as Mike Rogers did as a solution to a “culture of disclosure” has no idea how to advocate the interests of the people they were elected to represent. Someone with such an open contempt for a free press does understand how to defend the Constitution.

(Manning has been held in isolation since May and has yet to receive a trial for allegedly leaking a video showing US troops killing 11 unarmed civilians, including two Reuters journalists, in Afghanistan)

*Someone with such an open contempt for a free press does not understand how to defend the Constitution.

The charge against Max Kantar—who was also standing up and trying to do the right thing by reading a statement—is similarly out of proportion.

My apologies for the omission.

During the U.S. war against the people of Vietnam, there was one protester who became famous for “pieing” or attempted pieing of many of those responsible for that slaughter. I thank Ms. Mohsen for extending this symbolic form of protest to the 21st century.

Well, either Ms. Mohsen has been very busy posting under several different names, or the crazies are more active than normal…

This brave young woman is to be commended! Whoever invited a criminal like Carl Levin should be publicly identified and punished.

@lol, I’d go with the latter. Her merry little band is clearly delusional. It’s funny how they all call Levin a war criminal, yet they don’t call Stabenow one, or any of the Republican Congressmen. She’s only targeting Levin because of the Committee(s) he sits on.

Carrie, you’re obviously denser than dirt failed to read the actual accounts. This event did not occur on campus or anywhere in Ingham County. It was up in Mecosta County. So that means she followed him up there to commit this act.

Sen. Carl Levin is one of the most highly respected senators in the US, even by those who disagree with him strongly i.e. Senate republicans, typically have very strong respect for him as a statesman.

If your calling a moderate like him a war criminal that shows how extreme you are.

I find it interesting that you all single out one Senator, who’s liberal at that. Afterall, there are 435 other members of congress most of which are more aggressive than he is.

I typically hate people that use these arguments but it does seem to fit in this case: perhaps you’re only targeting him so vehamently because he’s Jewish…

‘No, its about the issues!’ except if that were true you’d be targeting about 200 legislators before him.

May want to think hard on that one…

How hysterical that those most supportive of this student’s actions simultaneously advertise their ignorance. If you can’t get basic facts (like WHERE the event occurred), you are not competent enough to comment on any other aspect. I’m also guessing that you have not yet read the 1st Amendment, that protects free speech. Perhaps you have heard of it? Even if this had happened on campus, inviting someone with an opinion different from yours is not to be punished, but should be applauded. It’s called EDUCATION. Look it up!

That said, the author of this article has nicely framed the issues. She did something wrong. Though she may have good reasons, her approach was poor and should have consequences. Technically, this was an assault. Well done SN!

Ahlam Mohsen is no hero and deserves no such respect. Why do you liberal college students love to support criminal behavior? Stalking a US Senator and assaulting him are serious offenses. You all sound like the kind of loonies who support Al Queda’s murder of nearly 3,000 innocent Americans on 9/11. That was justified too, right? Mohsen went too far. An intelligent American knows their rights, and assault is by no means a protected form of PEACEFUL protest under the 1st amendment. This student’s behavior is a warning sign of what’s to come from this extremist. If you ask me, stalking and assaulting a federal employee is darn near the equivalent of committing terrorism. Federal charges must be brought against Mohsen for attacking a US Senator, and she deserves to be prosecuted and sentenced to the fullest extent of the law, when found guilty of course. MSU needs to take proper disciplinary action against the senior as well. This kind of senseless behavior is not to be condoned, and expulsion should be the outcome. Make an example of her, thus to prevent loons like yourselves from taking similar actions in the future. Everyone has a right to their opinions and free speech/religion/and peaceful protest, but to intimidate and spread fear by assaulting someone is a criminal behavior. Mohsen could have been wiser and used sources available to her, such as the Opinion page of the State News, to spread her message, rather than full blown assault. And to say we all deserve to make one mistake, let her off, is absurd. She had been stalking the Senator Levin, therefore, the pie to the face is no first mistake. Finally, I want to bring up the topic of hate crimes. Liberals would have labeled a white male attacking a Muslim senator as being hate-motivated. However, no one has yet mentioned the possibility of this attack being hate-motivated. Even though a Muslim girl attacked to a Jewish senior male. INTERESTING. I love our Constitution, and cherish it like any patriotic American should. But to condone racism and violence claiming it has any protection is utterly ridiculous.

Mohsen should have tea and scones with Che Guevara when she meets him in hell. Liberal student paper, I suppose these extremist, un-American comments above should be expected. Perhaps you would all be more patriotic if Americans were ruled by Sharia law??? Hmm, seems to me that Ms. Mohsen would have no due process of law, and receive a punishment much more severe than the one she’s got coming to her. One senator is not to blame for war crimes, you fools. And he’s a democrat! Turning against your own party now! Dems are no longer liberal enough. Perhaps you all hate Jews? I do believe that is what it all boils down to. Bigotry is alive and well at MSU!

Punishment to fit the crime? Let’s put things into perspective. The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not only killing people but money spent on these wars is ours. We need jobs, affordable housing, quality education, and universal health care. The criminals are both the Republicans and Democrats who destroy lives and countries in unjust wars while working people here implode under the weight of their jobless recovery.

Gloria, please come home. Your comrades miss you.

Gloria, socialism/communism doesn’t work. There’s a reason why China, 3x larger than the US, is still dragging behind us in GDP. North Korea and Venezuela’s economies are also jokes. Also, do you even have a clue how much the war in Iraq cost us? 7 years of war cost just over 700 billion dollars. How much did Barack Obama’s stimulus package cost tax payers? Over 800 billion dollars, in just 1.5 yrs. If you wanna bitch about our economy, bitch the Comrade in Chief’s Obamanomics. His attempt at socialism has failed, terribly. Passing the stimulus bill immediately was supposed to halt unemployment at 8%, but it is now 9.6%, and predicted to reach 10%. No productivity or reasonable number of jobs have been created nor saved. Capitalism is the only way for our country to prevail, government just needs to quit interfering with private business. Perhaps if we cut our socialist welfare programs, food stamps, and unemployment benefits, our country could continue about its business. Quit bitching about a president who has been out of office for nearly 2 yrs, and open your eyes to your liberal extremist president who has managed to raise the deficit more than Bush did in 8 yrs…

What is the only human trait of a commie? They bleed RED.