http://www.statenews.com I’ve never been ashamed to call myself a Spartan until this week. Cedar Fest, a revival of a semiannual party that occurred in the ’70s and ’80s, was an embarrassment to our campus and the East Lansing community. en-us Foundry4 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:20:48 -0400 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:58:02 -0400 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14747/view umm kris turner, you were probably not even at cedar fest. if you have any idea how e.l police treat students you would be on our side. the e.l police is a disgrace to police departments nationwide. about 10 of these “police officers” abuse their power and actually start hatred. i am disgusted with how the police officers treat us students, they act as if this is detroit/flint and must pull guns and resort to violence to solve this minor problems. so behavior you publish an article why don’t you actually do a little more in-depth research on how absolutely ashamed of these cops you should be. Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:34:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14747/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14750/view Those cops showed more patience and restraint than they were required to. They took alot of sh*t, and people are still giving it to them. Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:02:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14750/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14752/view I was there. I left after the announcement of chemical agents and the use of flashbangs. I dont feel ashamed for being there, and there’s no reason I should. I didnt attack anyone, I didnt throw anything, I didnt flash my tits/genitalia, I didnt entice the crowd, I didnt rip out a stop sign. In fact, I, like most everyone I talked to that attended, had a good time. I dont condone attacking cops at all, and I’m not trying to write off what happened, but jesus, when did attending a social event that had, for most of the night, been peaceful suddenly make you an anarchist and a detriment to society? jesus. I showed up to a party in cedar village. Shit got out of hand, but i had nothing to do with that. Fuck you for trying to lump me in with some idiots that had an urge to get gassed. Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:18:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14752/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14767/view He doesn’t need to explain himself. The EL police are constantly discriminating against and persecuting students. I’ve never seen an organization with less integrity. Maybe you would understand if they had done something to you. I wasn’t at cedarfest but I was at the 2005 final four celebration and police were firing tear gas shells at students. I was scared out of my mind, not of the “rioting students” but of the ELPD. Have you ever gotten a ticket for having ice on your sidewalks at three in the morning after a snow storm and have them leave the entire rest of the street alone (and no we weren’t partying, it was a tuesday, and everyone was asleep and one of my roommates getting home from the library was smoking on the porch when a ELPD car came to a screeching halt)? Have you ever gotten a ticket for over a thousand dollars for leaving your trash can at the bottom of your driveway too long (too long being twelve days, which i don’t think is unfair minus the thousand dollar fine), even though it was summer and no one had lived in your house for over two months? Have you ever been the sober, responsible drives for friends who were drinking, pull up to the house and be yelled at by an officer as well as threatened with a ticket for simply waiting for your friends in your car on the side of a desolate residential street? These are just three examples of many that I have. I’m sure many other people could tell you countless stories of the ELPD showing a complete lack of any moral fiber. So excuse the majority of us innocent students, some like myself who weren’t even at cedarfest, for not giving a care if the EL police had to take any flak. I don’t even think the EL police is a disgrace to police departments nationwide, I think they are a disgrace to the human species. (I would like to mention however that one time a few years ago, I did meet ONE that was rational and seemed to have some idea of general human morals but after working with those thugs, I would put money on it that he is long gone by now and working at an actual respectable police department) Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:44:38 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14767/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14775/view Have you ever had two EL pigs swoop out of the shadows while you were walking down the rape trail, then stop and search you for no apparent reason? Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:15:54 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14775/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14777/view I have seen the pigs on the rape trail but they go after us students that are drinking or pissing not just everyone. They were out there all the time in the fall on bikes, motorcycles and walking around inthe woods. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:01:27 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14777/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14802/view Reading these comments makes me wonder how some of you got addmitted to MSU in the first place. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:24:03 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14802/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14809/view Reading most of the comments makes me sad I chose to go to MSU when I could have gone to IU or George Mason. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:42:41 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14809/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14835/view Reading these comments tell me that so many of you don’t get it. Going to Michigan State should be a honor. It’s about time students drop this: me against the world mentality. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:47:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14835/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14839/view You probably weren’t even there. You’re knowledge of this is even less than your last idiotic article about bar creeps. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:05:04 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14839/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14850/view Pretty sure these are the same cops that were out playing football in the middle of the streets and in the center of yard party about to have a dance-off then an hour later were rolling down car windows flipping the bird and yelling at students to “get the f*** away from me”... Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:38:58 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14850/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14878/view QUIT PLAYING THE VICTIM! These must be a bunch of immature underage freshman and sophmores posting their ignorance for the rest of the world to see. YOU GUYS have made our school look like shit, that’s the bottom line. Whether you meant to or not, you were there, you participated, take the damn blame like an adult. Thank you for de-valuing the degrees that the rest of the intelligent student body is working hard to get. Thanks for making our school look like trash. If you want to pull this shit go to a different school because you’re not wanted here. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:53:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14878/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14911/view these drunk morons made MSU look like a complete pile of shit. This riot was so huge, that the news about it made it worldwide. Even my parents called me from Europe and asked what kind of shit was happening down here. If you people didn’t know, MSU had a good reputation in some Asian countries especially Korea, but now all this good reputation is gone, in less than 3 hours. THanks a lot assholes. How hard was it to act like adults? If you want to party, fine walk out to the streets but act like fukin adults. Too bad cops didn’t use water hoses on you morons. ACT LIKE ADULTS, NOT LIKE A BUNCH OF KIDS! And thats the future of Michigan. I will not be surprised if MSU enrollment will drop dramatically. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:09:06 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14911/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14922/view enrollment is not going to drop—dumbass! as long as MSU has hot chicks that’ll screw anything after a few beers—enrollment will be fine! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:45:13 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14922/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14923/view The whole world is not watching you, maybe someone overseas takes note because they know someone at MSU but for godsakes stop this whining about your precious image. Your degree has not been devalued, MSU retains a good international image. Oh, by the way James. The cops in Bloomington aren’t really any different then EL so you might as well stay here. Civil liberties is not something a lot of college town cops take real seriously when their supervisors aren’t around watching them. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:46:19 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14923/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14924/view Anyone present who is defending their “actions” during an event like this misses the basic point either out of ignorance or selfish negligence. If you were there, you are responsible. Even if you “did nothing,” you enabled those who did to have the anonymity they needed to throw beer cans, or light fires, or whatever. If there is any problem facing our youth and students these days (I am 23, and a recent alum having witnessed the occurrances in ’03 and ’05), it is their own complete disregard for their actions and responsibility. Blaming the law enforcement is a convenient scapegoat for removing responsibility from one’s self. What in all the world made you decide to even be there when things got ugly? So you could PROVE the cops are bad? Have any of you “pig-haters” even stopped to think why they act like they do (if there’s even anything wrong with their tactics)? Because they have to deal with ridiculously immature students and civilians every other year in a “civil disturbance.” I’d be sick of it too. Sudents move on but these are the same officers that have been forced to put down (my numbers might be slightly off, but not much) about 5 violent disturbances and police at least 2 “relatively” non-violent (but still thousands of drunk people) ones in the past decade. On top of that, MSU and EL police deal with immature students who for some unknown reason think that they should be treated like gods when they act like pigs (being an RA in the dorms, I watched it happen damn near every weekend). People’s selfishness and immaturity is sickening. Grow up and maybe you can be a contributing member of society some day. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:48:58 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14924/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14926/view In the context you used, it’s “your,” not “you’re.” Does “You are knowledge of this….” make sense? No. How the heck did people who don’t know basic grammar get into a state university? Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:05:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14926/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14947/view No no no. The riot didn’t leave a black mark…the guys trying to pick up girls at bars leave a black mark. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:32:15 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14947/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14967/view Hey mike, as I clearly stated earlier, I left when it was declared an unlawful assembly. I didnt enable anyone to light a fire, assault a cop, or bust car windows. In fact, I didn’t break a single law that entire night. To clarify, the events you’re talking about occurred around or after the announcement of the use of chemical agents. I was long gone by the time the tear gas was launched. Must be all my fault, huh? Stop being ignorant. Ill be damned if some uppity writer of an opinion column is going to make me feel bad about attending a block party that i could see out my window. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:26:42 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14967/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14974/view In addition, had more people like myself attended, instead of rowdy drunks, the event wouldnt have even made the local news. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:34:46 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14974/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14983/view Kris Turner is a tool. The whole event was straight up fun. People were grilling, throwing the football around, playing music. It didn’t even get anything close to crazy until the fun police, the East Lansing gestapo, had to come and start threatening everyone present. When a group of people are hanging out and not being violent and then a bunch of cops arrive with SWAT gear and guns blazing, then of course that will lead to violence. Isn’t it funny how nothing was burned or thrown until AFTER the police arrived. I know, I was there. Nobody there even mentioned rioting until law enforcement made an appearance. And to Bob and James, it ashames me how you unintelligent heathens even got this far in life. You cannot even spell “admitted”...now that’s the real shame. Plus, George Mason? Come on now big boy, you can do better. It is four days later and all you fools are still talking about it. I’m not ashamed I went because I just had a great time, one of my best nights in years at MSU. I didn’t throw a thing, wasn’t hurt by teargas…just had a good time with my best buds. So to Bob, James and Kris “I am so cool, I write articles because I saw it on the news” Turner…get a life and move on. Everyone else has. It’s you fools making the impact last longer. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:43:35 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/14983/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15007/view I agree Kris. It’s nice to know I’m not the only young person who feels this way. I myself am not often happy with the East Lansing police, but people so easily forget that a HUGE part of why they act in the way they do is that students act this crazy. Peaceful gathering? Look at the pictures. Drunken kids throwing stuff at police. What did they think would happen? And now I can look forward to being pulled over even more, and being treated as guilty instead of innocent constantly. WAy to go msu. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:36:30 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15007/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15016/view I totally agree with “You Idiots…” the writers of this “student” paper need to flex some nuts and move on with their lives instead of dwelling on an event that these writers supposedly weren’t at….HOW CAN WE BE MORE LIKE YOU STATE NEWS? WE ALL WISH WE WERE PERFECT... Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:30:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15016/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15056/view Ok people. Get a clue. The police were there the whole time. The entire time you were sitting peacefully throwing a football, drinking the open alcohol (which is illegal in EL because I got one of those tickets), for about 5 hours. They were chatting everyone up. I didnt see the helmets go on until 1 am or so. Coincidentally, that was when I also saw the bottles and rocks being thrown. Do not blame the police for your stupid actions. Police dont throw gas just for the hell of it. I heard the crowd chanting “we want gas” as I was running straight for the police riot line to get the hell out. The police could see I was obviously scared because not one touched me, stopped me, yelled at me. One of the lady cops pointed and said “go that way to get away from the smoke.” I dont care how many announcements were made or not made. When I see a police riot line with helmets and masks, then they are gonna throw gas. DUH! The future of America lies in the hands of the man who thinks being an asshole in public with his best buds, was the greatest night of his life.( you idiots) Im scared. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:44:45 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15056/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15059/view “The EL police are constantly discriminating against and persecuting students. I’ve never seen an organization with less integrity.” You’ve led a very sheltered life. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:31:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15059/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15094/view Some students have a problem these days with taking responsibility for their actions. GROW UP. Throwing rocks and beer cans at cops?? And these kids – I mean students – think that police treat THEM unfair? It’s sad to know that this is the intellect, or lack thereof, of even some of MSU’s students. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:47:00 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15094/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15149/view I was there and left right as people started getting unruly. I believe the police were in the right in this case. While a majority of people there were only looking for a good time, there were people who wanted to be a problem and wanted to start a riot. Chanting “We want tear gas” and chucking beer bottles at officers who are only there to ensure peoples safety is crossing a line. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:43:38 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15149/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15154/view Hello, I would just like to say that I had a very enjoyable experience at the Cedar Fest in 2008. I hope that next years will be just as exciting! I had fun! Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:04:47 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15154/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15160/view kris, thank you for writing this article, i am completely embarrassed to even be associated with msu, all of you that are praising this stunt, why don’t you go back home and act like that? i am sure your parents are so proud that you get into state and completely disrespect every single person that is currently attending or has attended this university as well as the community that is a part of it. if you don’t see anything wrong with this sort of behavior why don’t you go back to whatever hole it is you crawled out of so the rest of us can go back to being proud of the tradition msu has and not have to deal with immature behavior such as this. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:41:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15160/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15242/view If anything makes us look bad its the media that keeps publishing this stupid crap. Every article I have read has made cedar fest look way worse than it actually was. If you did not keep dwelling on it people would forget about it. I really do not need to see any more pictures of students doing the fight song in front of cops with the caption “students taunting police” Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:14:52 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15242/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15247/view I graduated from MSU 8 years ago – I work for a software development company. I often do presentations for prospective clients, clients who will I am asking to trust my company (via me) with extremely important, expensive technology. When I am asked about my credentials, and say that I graduated from MSU, there is always that “look”, or sometimes even the comment – “Oh, that’s where do all that rioting, isn’t it? Didn’t take you for THAT sort of person.” I reply vaguely, “Oh, perhaps. But that was well after I graduated..etc.” But the damage is done. Do the people involved with these transgressions-be they careless partiers over over-zealous police-have any idea of the damage they are doing to their prospects? Or anyone else’s?!? It doesn’t MATTER what happened – it matters how the real world PERCEIVES it to have happened. The world that you will soon have to survive in with your degree as your reputation and your meal ticket. Quit whining and grow up – or at least quit screwing it up for the rest of us. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:41:27 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15247/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15267/view I agree with joe. for the past week the front page story has been cedar fest. It is getting out of control. The state news is just fueling the fire and getting people all wound up. Thats all I hear about and that is all people are reading about. If everyone would just get a life, deal with what needs to be delt with and move on. The police and msu know what they need to do and I am sure they will do it. I didn’t even want to write a comment, but it was bugging me, hearing all these “solutions” from people that do have a fricken clue. So….if you are so embarrased of what happend…don’t keep bringing it up. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:33:03 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15267/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15268/view To the very first blogger on this page… ARE YOU SERIOUS? Do you even attend MSU? If so, YOU are the sole reason we should be ashamed of our school!!! Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:35:28 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15268/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15269/view It blows my mind that the cops actually showed up! They knew well before hand what was going to happen, but for some reason they refuse to think rationally. All they had to do was not show up and not gas the ones who wanted it. There was probably only 20 people there that actually wanted a riot. I guess common sense is not so common anymore! Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:39:24 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15269/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15271/view I think the only way this should be handled is for every student at msu to get all wet and have a mass party in spartan stadium on the field! Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:44:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15271/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15273/view Yeah, so maybe I wasnt at Cedar Fest, but I’m glad I wasnt…Ive seen my fair share of videos on both youtube and the statenews website, and for all of you saying the police are the only ones to blame, get a clue. I am ashamed to be a Spartan because once again we have further tarnished a reputation that was already in question. I hate having to defend myself against those who associate me with the foolishness that occurred at Cedar Fest. It’s not fair that I, along with my others, have to take the crap for something we weren’t even involved with. For having to deal with this, I am disgusted and ashamed to call myself a Spartan, and it’s a horrible feeling. Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:27:26 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15273/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15274/view The police in this city are harsh. I see people driving 28 in a 25 on Grand River and get pulled over and get a ticket. I have seen the DPPS write tickets on meters that hadn’t expired yet. Yes, I said meters, plural. The police deserve it because they are garbage. I say ship them off to Detroit and let them earn their money because all they are doing is oppressing citizens. As far as the Riot is concerned, from what I took from this article is that the police in 2005 were at fault.All those police officers should be fired if students get kicked out. They incited the riot, and they did the same thing this year by showing up to a party they were not invited to. Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:59:53 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15274/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15288/view You apparently were not there because if you were then you would know that there were a pretty select few out of the crowd of more 3500 that were creating a problem for everyone. When the crowd got teargased there were less than half of the original number of people there. I feel like the police reacted very appropriately and in the beginning only went after the “serious offenders” like people throwing things instead of just giving out MIPs. I’m not quite sure where you get off saying the 2005 crowd was “celebratory” they were a smaller crowd that caused a whole lot more damage that was not concentrated in one area, but instead moved along Grand River causing many, many innocent people to be hit with gas. Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:06:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15288/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15469/view The cops have been pushed to this. None of you that were at Cedar Fest were at the Munn Field incident, or any of the riots in the few years after. But guess what, the cops were. Every 4 years a new crop of students comes in, but the ELPD remains. You get slapped in the face a couple of times and tell me that when some comes to slap you again you don’t slap back. And Yes I am a graduate, and yes I was around during the original riots. Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:19:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15469/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15518/view Yes, the riot made MSU look bad, but not nearly as bad as 2005 or 1999, which had major effects on the University. Those who live in West circle complex, please take note of the furniture in the common areas- it should be bolted down, why because in 1999 the furniture in west circle complex was the first to go into fire. The reason why MSU made national news is A. its a University, and B. nothing major was happening in the news that day. I doubt that there will be any major or lasting problems from this incident, which can be justified by contacting the Office of Admissions and asking them how many applications we got this year. I can tell you this, for the 2008/09 Academic year MSU has received the most amount of applications than it has ever got. MSU’s academic requirements are tougher now then 10 years ago, and MSU students score higher on standardized test than ever before. The amount of GOOD things MSU is doing outweighs the bad. If the STATE NEWS cared a wooden cent about MSU, they would stop blowing it out of proportion, milking the story, and creating special news updates that just brings more attention to it. Just google seach MSU Riot 2008, the state news is the only organization that actually STILL CARES. Its done and over with, end of story, stop trying to extend it. Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:29:14 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15518/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15519/view ELPD does like to use force. My friend who is def got pulled over in our drive way returning from dropping people off at the bar. The police yelled at him to get out of the car, he didnt hear them because he cant. He then got out of the car once the police thought he was ignoring them and tried to sign to them to let them know he is def. Well the ELPD decided that def people pose a significant risk and they tazered him right on the spot. Way to go ELPD! That makes me sick to my stomach and really makes me appreciate the people who are supposed to protect us. Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:36:07 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15519/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15712/view I’m encouraged, in the aftermath of last week’s debacle, that current students like writer Kris Turner and others seem generally appalled, enraged, embarrassed (pick the synonym/adjective)... Unfortunately as the above comments note, the amount of just sheer denial and just flat out ignorance and stupidity by many students/recent alums, saddens me and reinforces, once again, that there is too strong an Idiot Culture at Michigan State that continues to harm our rep. You see it at football games (even away games where some knucklehead Spartans shamelessly make total asses of themselves in somebody else’s building), you see it in tailgating parties, you see it on Grand River on a regular weekend night. Then you get the morons, like some of those above, who think they’re advancing their argument by trashing MSU academically, playing the victim or acting like it’s no big deal. WAKE UP FOOLS! Where else do you see students, en masse, destroying property in riots and attacking police for NO GOOD REASON. There was no political uprising (most of these knot-heads involved probably barely know there’s a presidential race this year much less the candidates running); MSU had already been eliminated from the NCAA basketball tournament, … so why?… MSU is a great university, but I sometimes think there are too many of those enrolled, thanks to MSU’s size and the competition with U-M for top students, allows them an academic benefit (and future credential) they truly do not deserve. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:07:05 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15712/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15751/view Townsend, I would really like you to substantiate your claim of an idiot culture here at MSU. You suggest that we do not know who is running for president, the only person suffering from idiocy is you. The cops here are ridiculous, and so are you. Wanna Be cops and a pseudo-intellectual. If you were half intelligent, you would understand that both sides of this (i.e. the pigs and students) are both guilty but only one side gets the punishment. Go Green! and the Michigan Mountaineers that you think are all “deserving” and good, can enjoy Beline and Dick Rod all they want. M go BLOW. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:43 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15751/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15797/view ^Y’know, chris, I may have some sympathy for the rioters and people like you if it started, say, as a protest against the war in Iraq… You know, something MEANINGFUL rather than the RIGHT to get drunk, throw bottles & rocks at the cops and beg for tear gas. Real intelligent, chris. Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:56:19 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15797/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15823/view Chris, there IS an idiot culture at MSU. I’m a graduate (1998) and would rather not admit that I am after the recent events on campus. It’s disgusting, immature, and just a flat-out shame that these things are happening. I’m confused as to why you ended a somewhat intelligent-sounding post with a shot at Michigan’s basketball and football coaches, as well. A bit of an inferiority complex? I’m sorry to say, but it’s typical of the “idiots” at MSU. Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:30:57 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15823/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15898/view Just saw a t-shirt “commemorating” cedar fest: tabloidtshirts.com Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:03:56 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15898/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15913/view “The EL police are constantly discriminating against and persecuting students. I’ve never seen an organization with less integrity.” It’s called the LAPD... ever heard of the Battle of Los Angeles (The ’92 Riots)? Also before anyone starts giving me shit, know that I’ve been abused by the police (they tried to give me an MIP, I fought it and got it thrown out on 4th Amendment grounds). In THIS case, the police did everything appropriately. I was there. In fact, I watched the entire thing go down from my friends 2nd floor corner apartment, on Cedar Street and Waters Edge. I’m not one who normally uses blanketing statements, but people trying to make a case against the cops are MORONS. The friggin ACLU was there in force, and their after-action report states that the police acted appropriately. I also happen to be a member, so I would know. End of discussion. Old News. Move on. Good day. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:25:05 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15913/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15926/view ELPD has a great sense of smug overimportance-they forget they are people and need to sometimes be helpful rather than always playing gotcha. Not all students need a shakedown- some might need help. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:18:10 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15926/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15952/view I wasn’t there, but NUMEROUS student-made videos on youtube.com have confirmed that the incident got way out of hand and the police acted appropriately to disperse the crowds. This was different from 2005 (when I was a student) where the police completely overstepped their bounds and instigated the situation. However, the writer of this article makes a mistake by pointing a finger at every individual who was present. Not everyone was creating a problem, and not everyone was to blame. A few people ruined it for everyone, as is the case in most situations like these. The alumni embarrassment is still the same, regardless of who did what and who started what. A riot happened, and it looked bad. End of story. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:33:08 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15952/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15970/view HA! Nan Fletcher! That’s a great comment you made, “Oh, perhaps. But that was well after I graduated..etc.”.. Did we so soon for get that we were the around for the original riots? I’m talking the Munn Field extravaganza when they took away our kegs..!! Gunson Street and the infamous Final Four loss to Duke..!! Don’t try to push this off on these young’uns, I graduated in 2000 as well, and there was certainly our share of debauchery and unruliness during our tenure at MSU!! GO STATE!! Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:26:44 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15970/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15971/view Please replace “for get” with “forget”... Thanks. Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:27:55 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/15971/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16145/view Stop talking about it and maybe it’ll go away. Or keep glorifying it with articles like this and enjoy an annual renewal. Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:22:21 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16145/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16198/view As a proud graduate of MSU who has lived and worked within in Boston over the past 4 years, I have never been more ashamed of my college than I was 2 short weekends ago. Everyday I compete with graduates from the MIT’s, the Harvard’s and the Wellesley’s of the world and I cannot even begin to explain my feelings of having my beloved school’s name associated within the NYT and Boston Globe with the words ‘Riot’ ‘Teargas’ and ‘58 arrests’. Didn’t we get the whole ‘riot thing’ out of our systems in 1999 and/or 2003? Remember the damage and long-lasting impressions THAT left to the world? The other universities don’t seem to have trouble maintaining a credible and respectable reputation. MSU, we are a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. When are we going to realize that if we want respect, it begins with the current students who obviously need a little lesson on CLASS. Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:24:29 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16198/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16224/view If you want to be embarrassed for MSU then look at the poor use of grammer in some of these posts. Be embarrassed about that and forget about the so called “riot” for godsake. Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:41:37 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16224/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16256/view Do NOT allow the actions of a few to represent you! Be proud that you are a SPARTAN! Those who participated in these stupid drunken behaviors do NOT represent me nor do they represent the university. Once you allow these idiots to represent MSU is the day you should transfer to another university or better yet just go into the work world (if you can get a job). The behavior of these stupid, drunken idiots indicates their character. It was not the EL Police who made these idiots throw bottles, chant, and expose themselves. It was each individual. Start respecting others and more importantly respect yourself. Begin taking reponsibility for your actions and think about consequences. Remember this! Any true Spartan and self-respecting person does not do what these few morons did that night. You can have a good time without acting like a brainless, out of control animal. Be proud that you were fortunate to go to the greatest university in the world and hold your head high! Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:37:33 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16256/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16431/view Sorry, but it’s spelled “grammar” not “grammer”, and it’s “so-called” with a hyphen because you’re modifying the word riot. I just can’t stand when people correct others and don’t do much better. Especially when this text box has spell check. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:53:10 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16431/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16526/view Letz all git togeder an’ read sum books so we can speel gooder. fer the luv of jeebus, lets make perfict posts on a school news paper. Remember, U of M is reading oh lawdy! Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:58:02 -0400 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/16526/view