http://www.statenews.com Recently added or updated comments at http://www.statenews.com en-us Foundry4 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:45:08 -0500 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:36:56 -0500 webmaster@statenews.com http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28785/view When I attended MSU between 1977 and 1981 their were black study rooms in all the dorms. Does this crap still exist? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:36:56 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28785/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28784/view The NCAA water polo championship game is not played until Dec. 7th. Currently, USC sits atop the rankings with MSU not even in the top 20. This is probably because MSU does not have a water polo team. Nor does any other Big Ten school. This is a club sport. Stop trying to come off as if you are a real MSU varsity team. Also, being a former varsity athlete, you have no idea how hard the other MSU sports teams work. Not to mention as a former varsity athlete on an olympic sports team, we get no where near as much coverage as the revenue sports and we aren’t complaining. But I do know this, if these guys were good enough at water polo they would be at a school where they could be on scholarship for it. Do I think they deserve a blurp in the newspaper about how the water polo team won? Maybe. Do they deserve to be in the sport section? Not a chance. Other club teams win all the time, they aren’t complaining about not being in the newspaper. Lastly, if you are the national champions, you should be the best collegiate water polo team in the land, correct? I would love to see you guys go play any of those teams in the top twenty. Because you know who all us varsity athletes have to go play against and deal with in our respective sports? Yea, all those teams. And that’s why we are in the newspaper. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:34:17 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28784/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28783/view And try to refrain from the person insults; they add nothing to the conversation and only undermine your stance. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:29:44 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28783/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28782/view Congrats to the team. One question. Do your horses have to wear scuba gear or just snorkle equipment? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:29:18 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28782/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28781/view “Doug’s comment and the general theme of those critical of these groups are hilarious. I would bet Doug and those who agree with them bemoan the politically correct world we live in and the impingement of free speech by the “left”. Yet here they are criticizing groups for catering towards a particular group. By Doug’s idiotic logic, a bowling club is segregating itself by catering to bowlers. Should we just have groups be called “Group” so as to avoid the appearance of catering to some individuals and not to others?” – Jason I didn’t critize any group or race in my comment. If I did, feel free to point it out. I was clarifying the difference between discrimination and segregation. I have no problem with groups catering to individuals. In fact, thats what all groups do. However, the point of the article was not that these groups shouldn’t exist, it is that our tax dollars should not be funding them. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:05 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28781/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28780/view McCain would have taken all the money from middle class Americans and forced them to give some to Wall St. The rest he would have used to buy more weapons with which to dominate the world and especially to invade Cyprus. He’d do all this while backing over helpless vetrans with his tank. Obama would make us all give money to support freeing animals locked up in the zoo crazy western cultures. He would do all this while grinding fetuses in the ground with his new taxpayer supported tennis shoes. Man I love making stuff up. Facts be damned. Guess what? No one currently has any idea how all this is going to play out over the next few years. All the financial “experts” yammering away on TV are the same a**whipes who were clueless about the impending collapse. Just hang on best you can and hope things fall out on the positive side for you and yours. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:26:56 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28780/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28779/view Where are they living now? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:17:00 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28779/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28778/view Beau- I think Layneh was refering to incumbants as pertaining to this state since we were one of the first to teeter on the brink of economic disaster long before the rest of the nation followed suit. Union boot lickers did loby for Granholm’s re-election. Don’t you think thats why she got re-elected after such a ahem..stellar..ahemm job her first four years? Michigan will be long forgotten if the chance to move on to a national level presents itself to her and her promises to this state will stagnate. Based on our present economic situation in this state, or fearless democrat leader sure has set a great example of what is to follow on a national level. Still glad you elected Barack? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:11:43 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28778/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28777/view A Calm Voice of Contradiction,“Neither BSA nor YAF could claim that anyone of a particular race is part of their group automatically.” I posted a link to where the QUOTE “As a Black student, you are already part of the BSA family!” came from. It came from the BSA web site so yes they CAN and DO claim that someone of a particular race is part of their group automatically. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:04:53 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28777/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28776/view This “just giving the people what they want” argument is pathetic and evasive. Is there a halfway respectable reason for denying rights to same-sex couples, or are 52% of voting Californians harboring an unexamined aversion and willfully acting out on it for no reason better than that it weirds them out a little? The will of the majority can and will change over time, and I’m all for seeing it happen sooner rather than later. The only sense in which the opponents of the ban lost the argument is in a crude pebble-counting sense. An opinion sample in a particular time, place, and culture is far from a conclusive mandate. If you can possibly defend this decision, then let us see your argument, and let’s cease writing these circuitous and evasive demands for silence. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:01:15 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28776/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28775/view This guy is a real hero! I bet he doesn’t even SEE race! Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:54:06 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28775/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28774/view Bill- Obama did not promise free health care or free college, but making up things to prove a point sure looks like fun. Besides, Obama and McCain both had absurd amounts of spending with no explanation as to where the money would spend. So even assuming your criticism is correct, you could have been made regarless of who they endorsed. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:50:27 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28774/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28773/view Congrats to the water polo team, but, c’mon, it’s a friggin’ club sport here. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:48:17 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28773/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28772/view Have you ever actually seen water polo? That shit is intense. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:45:51 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28772/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28771/view I’ve heard this said a lot in the State News lately that the police took 20 minutes to respond to this call. But I haven’t heard the police comment on it so it’s really just an unsubstantiated rumor at this point. If this was the case, something is clearly whack. But it sounds so absurd that it probably wasn’t the case. It’s surprising and concerning that no comment from the police has been published in the State News yet addressing these accusations. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:39:55 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28771/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28770/view Boise is good and everyone knows it. They are like the Gonzaga of college football. If MSU wants to get to BCS they need to win and have OSU lose. That is all there is to it. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:28:51 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28770/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28769/view i don’t know what’s more pathetic, implyng that gay marriage is immoral or suggesting that the majority has the right to oppress the minority Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:28:41 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28769/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28768/view Tom, The majority does not need tolerance. Almost by definition, in a democracy, the majority does what it wants and can enforce its rights. It doesn’t need institutional protection. If the gay marriage question is a question of rights, then the majority’s will is simply irrelevant. If it’s a question of policy, then the majority should rule. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:27:40 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28768/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28767/view Farhan, you deserve a revocation of your keyboard. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:24:43 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28767/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28766/view lol is right, career students are losers Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:15:13 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28766/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28765/view Unfortunately, when 52% of CA voted to ban same sex marriage, the opponents of this ban lost their argument. When a majority speaks, their voice is the most popular and opponent’s voices aren’t. So flipping their argument around, I can ask why they aren’t tolerant of people who want to uphold strong moral values by banning gay marriage? If you aren’t tolerant of those who oppose it, why should they be tolerant of those who are for gay marriage? It’s a two way street, tolerance preachers. The majority spoke. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:14:19 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28765/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28764/view That’s an interesting change. I’m surprised, but not really surprised at the complaint about the food … you can always find somebody to complain. I was there in ’02 and the food was not very good (it’s a dorm, what can you really expect?). But they made a number of changes in the subsequent years that I had heard went over really well and made the food much better. So I’m surprised they’re making more changes to it. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:05:49 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28764/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28763/view Bill Lumburg “If YAF said As a White student, you are already part of the YAF family! everyone in this forum would be calling them racist, yet no one here thinks it is racist of BSA? Racist a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement,…” YAF wouldn’t be racist for saying all white students are part of YAF (They are racists for many of reasons) however they would be wrong. Neither BSA nor YAF could claim that anyone of a particular race is part of their group automatically. But if you were to survey students a very high percent of black students would agree to the goals and message of the BSA than white students to YAF, simply because the BSA works for positive inclusive goals and the betterment of black students by integrating them into society, while YAF wants a white supremacist doctrine that students are against. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:58:14 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28763/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28762/view give me a break, dont be so down, the market will be better by the time “we” retire. it takes time. on the part of credit card, i agree with the comments above, there is nothing wrong with it, it is just self-control, if you pay your payment in full, no interest charge. I once spent a $1000 on credit card and blame it on “credit card” lure me into spending so much money. Guess what, it is not, it is your personal finance problems, fix it or you will end up much more debt than student loan after graduation. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:51:16 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28762/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28761/view Given that so many of MSU’s rushes are on first down and generally up the middle, it’s not a great surprise that yards per carry and the other rushing stats are so poor. It’s also not too hard to sort out problems in the passing game when our quarterback is consistently put in obvious passing situations as a result of the generally unsuccessful 1st down runs. Were MSU to open things up a bit and not waste so many 1st downs running into defenses prepared for the run, this all might change. I would really like to see what MSU could do if opposing defenses had to operate with more uncertainly about when the next play is likely to be a rush or throw. Particularly they should have to worry about more on 1st down than a Javon Ringer run up the middle. State’s offense is not good enough to be so predictable and still score on a good defense. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:50:24 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28761/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28760/view umm lol, have you ever heard of a thing called grad school, or getting your phD? So being a student at 26 really isnt’ a waste of this person’s life….. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:34:44 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28760/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28759/view Doug’s comment and the general theme of those critical of these groups are hilarious. I would bet Doug and those who agree with them bemoan the politically correct world we live in and the impingement of free speech by the “left”. Yet here they are criticizing groups for catering towards a particular group. By Doug’s idiotic logic, a bowling club is segregating itself by catering to bowlers. Should we just have groups be called “Group” so as to avoid the appearance of catering to some individuals and not to others? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:30:18 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28759/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28758/view Bill- YAF couldn’t say white students are already part of the YAF family because they hate jews and white gays among others. Why do people always say why isn’t there an Eastern European group or whatever? Form one. Or they say such a group would be called racist. Who cares? This article and some of the comments are saying the BSA et al are racist, yet they keep plugging away. Anyone calling such groups racist would be just as wrong as the author. We all know the real reason that such groups don’t exist is because they simply aren’t necessary for any number of reasons. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:25:54 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28758/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28757/view the funny part being that a 26 year old is still a student that is. way to waste your life bro Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:11:28 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28757/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28756/view kinda funny Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:10:27 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28756/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28755/view “You see what you did there? You contradicted yourself. You open up saying these groups do not discriminate in membership (which they don’t), but then turn around say they are segregated.” – A Calm Voice of Contradiction It is possible to not discriminate in membership yet still be segregated. Just because it is not mandatory segregation, does not mean they are not in fact segregating themselves by catering towards a particular group. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:08:05 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28755/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28754/view Sigh ANOTHER waste of our tuition money. If the food stinks, change the food, not the cafeteria! Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:00:35 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28754/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28753/view As a Black student, you are already part of the BSA family! If YAF said As a White student, you are already part of the YAF family! everyone in this forum would be calling them racist, yet no one here thinks it is racist of BSA? Racist a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement,… I also find it funny that with all the crap the SN publishes they feel the need to distance them selfs from a legitimate argument, “Editor’s note: Columnists’ views do no represent the opinion of The State News.” Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:25:58 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28753/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28752/view Joe Goodsir is scum. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:58:49 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28752/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28751/view My daughter is on a team at Capital Cheer, it is the best training facility in town. Carla and Laura treat their “kids” like family, you cannot go wrong taking your child to their classes. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:46:07 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28751/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28750/view http://www.newsweek.com/id/169157 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:35:20 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28750/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28749/view The opinion piece might be a bit overblown, but it is correct in one important respect: a return to the thrifty habits of the pre-Boomer generation would benefit both individuals and our government. Delaying gratification works. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:30:14 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28749/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28748/view Johnny Marzetty would be proud if he hadn’t jumped frem eaqting this stuff… Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:22:09 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28748/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28747/view that’s not a real sport Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:15:13 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28747/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28746/view Generally speaking I dont want coverage of any sports except mens basketball, football, hockey, and baseball. But if any MSU team wins a national championship they deserve an article. I also did not know we had waterpolo. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:14:51 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28746/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28745/view I am the true EG. To re-state: these idiots are asking us to be tolerant of their intolerance. What?, Don’t rhey teach english at MSU. Raed it and undertand it. And yes, Emily, I think he doth protest too much. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:13:20 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28745/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28744/view “Kind of funny how YAF gets labeled racist, but the BLACK student alliance gets a pass.” I don’t remember any black student organizations on campus posting lists of Jews who serve in the US Congress, or saying they approve of banning Islam from being practiced in America. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:10:43 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28744/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28743/view I just want to say that this guy is an idiot. Groups such as BSA and APASO does not and i repeat, does not encourage segregation of any kind. The main purposes of such groups is to inform and enrich the MSU community of their cultures. There is no talk of reverse racism or how to bring the WHITE man down, matter of fact, these groups usually present how to work with each other. Even if these 13 groups control 1/5 of the student tax dollars, people have to understand these groups also have affiliate groups for which they sponsor and support. Also, the student tax dollars fund these groups to put on large events for which hundreds to thousands of people, MSU and non-MSU, attend. Before bashing any type of organization, please attend their events/meetings and find out what it’s really like before you sprout some ignorant ideas from what you have read. I also would like to state that the state news is a piece of shit. Misquoting and falsifying information seems to run rampant in the state news. I have been personally interviewed before, and yet they have quoted me for something completely different than what i have said. Also, i am taking this article as a form of hidden racism. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:07:26 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28743/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28742/view (The above comment should read: “… but people aren’t panicking”) Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:01:00 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28742/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28741/view “ .. Being a colorblind society is a lofty goal that will never happen in our lifetimes ..” Yup. A lot of people will never be happy, living in the USA. So, they should give up their U.S. citizenship and move to France. Which is 50% LESS diverse than the U.S. Or North Korea, Algeria, or Syria. Neil Boortz will pay for your one-way ticket out — leave today. Thanks. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:47:49 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28741/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28740/view What an unbelievably over dramatized article. Economies are cyclic. This happened to a lesser degree in the 80s, 90s, and even after 9/11. If you’ve got a job, the economy is still fine. Consumer confidence is low, but people are panicking. As for your statements about credit cards- it has nothing to do with the “evil credit card”- it has to do with stupid consumers. If you pay your bill every month (the FULL amount), you never pay a penny of interest charges- imagine that! Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:40:06 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28740/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28739/view It’s not that I am opposed to discussing race or racism, or even using tax dollars to do so. I only disagree with the method in which this is being done. The best way to do this with a student organization is through an organization that represents no race in particular. Terrible logic. Terrible writing. Terrible article. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:21:53 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28739/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28738/view WWJVDD Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:15:14 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28738/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28737/view I hadn’t heard about that. Great job team! Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:13:47 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28737/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28736/view Are you kidding me? Is this the same SN board that supported Obama’s presidential campaign because of all the promises of free stuff from the government like health care and college? Now you are going to complain about government spending trillions and mortgaging your future. And you are going to complain about not having Social Security when you retire?! If you knew the government couldn’t do something as simple as setting money aside and then giving it back to you when you retire, what in hell would posses you to think that the government could run health care? What a bunch of idiots. And jan, if your parents weren’t smart enough to move their assets from stocks to more secure bonds within a couple years of retirement, then shame on them. I am not an economic adviser by any means, but that is pretty straightforward common sense. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:13:37 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28736/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28735/view AD… do you even watch college football?!? hahahahhaha too funny Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:57:54 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28735/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28734/view Real classy there fellas. They may not be a big ticket sport, but I’ll bet you anything that these guys are absolutely excited about their win. So why not congratulate them? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:03:21 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28734/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28733/view Alex D…I think have been smoking something but I hope you are right with all of your picks. GO GREEN! Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:08:11 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28733/view http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28732/view Excellent work Alex! Very solid piece and well-articulated. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:40:30 -0500 http://www.statenews.com/index.php/comment/28732/view